From: tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net   
      
   On 9/29/17 9/29/17   12:15 AM, J.B. Wood wrote:   
   > On 09/21/2017 02:30 AM, Luigi Fortunati wrote:   
   >> Newton claims that gravity is a force, Einstein denies it: for him it is   
   >> not a force (it is something else).   
   >>   
   >> It is obvious that both can not be right: if gravity is a force, Newton is   
   >> right and Einstein is wrong, and if it is the reverse Newton is wrong and   
   >> Einstein is right.   
   >>   
   >> It can not be otherwise!   
      
   Sure it can! -- they could both be wrong. (And from what we know about   
   fundamental physics it seems quite possible that this is so -- there is   
   A LOT to be learned here, especially about the relationship between GR   
   and QM.)   
      
   > Hello, and at the risk of over simplification, if it behaves like a force in   
   > the Newtonian sense, then it is a force.   
      
   What GOD whispered in your ear and told you this? -- because that is the   
   only way you could know what it "is" (in the sense of "how the world   
   actually works").   
      
   You both fail to understand what science actually does: we are MODELING   
   the world, not attempting to describe "how it really works".   
      
   Once you recognize that both Newtonian mechanics and General Relativity   
   are models of the world, you can also recognize that they are both good   
   models of the world, each within its own domain. The conflict you think   
   you see does not really exist, they just model gravitation differently.   
      
   Tom Roberts   
      
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