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|    Steven Carlip to SEKI    |
|    Re: A Hypothesis concerning Bell's Inequ    |
|    04 Feb 18 08:11:30    |
      From: carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu              On 2/1/18 11:55 PM, SEKI wrote:       > Consider a photon pair.       >       > (1) Each of paired photons is created simultaneously at the same       > point, and travels at the speed of light in a direction opposite to       > each other.       >       > (2) No or, at most, negligible interaction is possible between       > photons.       >       > (3) No restriction is imposed on superposition of quantum waves of       > photons, which are bosons.       >       > Then, is any correlation between paired photons earthly, other than       > those determined at the point of pair creation?              It depends on what you mean by correlations.              In your example, I can choose to measure the polarization       of each photon along any axis I choose. Given any such       axis, I will measure the photon as either having a       polarization in the direction of the axis or in the       perpendicular direction. Quantum mechanics predicts the       probability of each outcome, and also predicts certain       correlations between the results when I measure both photons.              Bell showed that if these were ordinary local, "classical"       correlations, they would have to satisfy a certain inequality.       "Classical" here means that each photon has carries some set       of properties -- "hidden variables" -- that determine the       probability of finding a given polarization along any chosen       axis. In other words, if I tell you the axis along which I       want to measure the polarization, you can use these properties       to determine the probability of finding a parallel or a       perpendicular polarization. "Local" means that the properties       of the photons might be correlated, but that any correlation       must have been established when they were first produced --       they can't communicate with each other after they have       separated.              Quantum mechanics predicts correlations that *violate* the       Bell inequalities. Such correlations can't be explained by       what I've called local, classical correlations. And when       the experiments are done, they agree with quantum mechanics       -- Bell's inequalities are, in fact, violated by nature.              If you want to argue against Bell's results, you have to       look at his proof and identify *specifically* which of the       assumptions you want to change, and how to change it. The       proof itself is not hard -- there's a nice version in the       introductory quantum mechanics text by Griffiths, for instance.       But it's not enough to just say that you are certain that       there must be some way out.              Here are some ideas that don't work. You can't say that when       the photons are produced, they already "know" the settings       of the detectors. Experiments have been done in which the       detector settings are randomly changed after the photons       are already in flight. You can't say that the experimental       results are misleading because not all of the photons are       actually detected. This "detection loophole" was always a       stretch, but now it's been experimentally closed.              Steve Carlip              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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