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|    rockbrentwood@gmail.com to Lawrence Crowell    |
|    Re: Existence of CMB and early radiation    |
|    27 Mar 18 20:28:04    |
      On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:01:43 AM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote:       > I will get the question out of the way. Why is this presuming the       > universe is a non-Riemannian manifold or geometry? General relativity       > is physics based on Riemannian differential geometry.              Actually, General Relativity is based primarily on [in order of       importance] (1) the equivalence principle, (2) the continuity equations       that embody conservation laws for mass, energy and momentum (and angular       momentum and moment) and (3) the assumption that the geometry is locally       3+1 -- conservation laws that (as Lydia pointed out) are abruptly       violated on any "singularities" in a solution, thereby undermining one       of the chief premises used to establish the theory! For this reason, any       solution with a singularity has to be excluded from       consideration. Therefore, a no-go theorem that essentially makes       singularities inevitable can only be taken as a proof by contradiction       that the basic assumption (of the geometry being Riemannian) is false.              Also, on a technical note, the theory can only be founded properly on a       Riemann-*Cartan* geometry, since Riemannian geometries do not support       the infrastructure required to embody non-natural objects (such as a       Lorentz bundle or SL(2,C) bundle -- which you need even to express the       idea of a spinor, never mind expressing anything involving them!) You       need also the 3-currents for angular momentum and moment.              So, (1), (2) and (3) together mandate a Riemann-Cartan geometry, not a       Riemannian geometry; and General Relativity (where but for the       historical accident of having predated the formulation of Riemann-Cartan       geometry by about 10 years) is actually founded on a Riemann-Cartan       geometry. The only real choice is not between geometry types, then, but       whether to adopt the Einstein-Hilbert Lagrangian (which, when rewritten       in intrinsic form in a Riemannian-Cartan geometry is very awkward, since       it requires adding extra terms to subtract out the contorsion from the       native connection so as to get the Levi-Civita connection) or the       Riemann-Cartan "native" form of the Einstein-Hilbert Lagrangian (which       uses the Riemann-Cartan's native R scalar, rather than the R based on       the Levi-Civita connection). That gives you one of 2 theories:       Einstein-Hilbert(-in-Riemann-Cartan-geometry-form) or       Einstein-Cartan. The empirical differences between the two are very       small (but could affect early cosmology, as Trautman has pointed out!),       so the matter is not yet decided. Exterior solutions will not see any       difference, since both torsion and contorsion cannot propagate outside       matter in Einstein-Cartan gravity (nor in any of a large range of other       Lagrangians built on a Riemann-Cartan geometry) ... by a simple counting       argument on number of degrees of freedom for the spin tensor and torsion       tensor.              Note that assumptions (1) and (2) do not mandate a Riemannian geometry       nor one that is pseudo-Riemanninan. For instance, Newton's law of       gravity falls within this mould but is described with a (most decidedly       *non*-[pseudo-]Riemannian) Newton-Cartan geometry. The only qualifier to       that is that it can be embedded in a 4+1 geometry as I, myself, have       pointed out here on a previous occasion, such that the geodesic law       directly embodies the Newtonian law of gravity. In fact, you can easily       find such a metric by taking the Schwarzschild metric and substituting       the Lydia's invariant (ds = dt + v du) in for the proper time and 1/c^2       for v, and make it applicable to all motion under the influence of a       potential G(r) by substituting -GM/r by G(r). Move all the terms for the       proper time over to the same side as the line element, cancel out the       dt^2 terms, and rescale so that the metric has the asymptotic form       dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 + ... = 0 (as v -> 0). Note what extra terms crop up in       the 4+1 metric where G is present.              > The CMB occurred relatively late in the evolution of the universe,       > here late being compared to inflationary cosmology etc.              Actually, the CMB occurred at the *end* of the radiation dominant       phase. The radiation dominant phase existed (as far as anyone can       determine) at all earlier times before that.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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