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   Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to Luigi Fortunati   
   Re: The spring and the third principle   
   11 Apr 18 18:09:17   
   
   From: jthorn@astro.indiana-zebra.edu   
      
   Luigi Fortunati  wrote:   
   > A spring is positioned vertically and the lower end is fixed to the   
   > floor.   
      
   We are assuming the spring is in equilibrium at this point, i.e., the   
   spring is at its equilibrium length (taking into account its own weight).   
      
   >   
   > Then a mass is placed on its top and released.   
   >   
   > The mass exerts a force on the spring and the spring should react with   
   > an equal and opposite force on the mass (third principle).   
      
   [[...]]   
      
   On the contrary, *at this time* (before the mass has moved and the   
   spring has compressed), the spring is (by assumption) still at its   
   equilibrium length and hence it exerts *no* force on the mass (and   
   hence by Newton's 3rd law the mass exerts no force on the spring).   
      
   Later, after the mass has moved downward and the spring is somewhat   
   compressed, the spring will indeed exert an upward force on the mass,   
   slowing the mass's downward acceleration (and the mass will exert a   
   downward force on the spring).  But you asked about the situation   
   at the initial time.   
      
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