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|    d.oprisa@gmail.com to Jason    |
|    Re: Why symmetry groups, not symmetry gr    |
|    07 Jun 18 17:12:36    |
      On Tuesday, 26 August 2003 06:06:31 UTC+7, Jason wrote:       > I just started thinking about groupoids recently and started to wonder:       > Why is symmetry transformations usually described by a group rather than       > a groupoid? The more I think about it, the more it seems the most       > general kind of symmetry (of the classical kind; I'm still trying to       > figure out just what in the world Hopf algebras "really" are and do on       > an intuitive and mathematical level.) ought to be a groupoid, not a       > group! I mean, why should a symmetry operation act upon ALL states       > instead of just one or a couple of states?       >       > Just to take a silly non-physics example, let's consider the 14-15       > puzzle. If we consider the blank square as an empty tile, then only half       > of all possible permutations are permissible configurations. Suppose we       > consider only permissible configurations as "solutions" and we wish to       > describe the "symmetry operation" of sliding blocks, which only take       > permissible solutions to permissible solutions. We can divide all       > permissible solutions into 16 "nodes", each describing where the empty       > tile is, and what the "sliding symmetry" does is to "map" one node into       > another. In other words, a groupoid. So, we have the groupoid generated       > by the following graph:       >       > = = =       > | | | |       > = = =       > | | | |       > = = =       > | | | |       > = = =       >       > with the configuration of the 14-15 puzzle acting as a representation of       > this groupoid.       >       > So, why groups, not groupoids?              have a look at this:       https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.04632       here they address exactly your concerns, by employing lie grupoids and their       linearized lie algebroids for tacking symmetries in field theory              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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