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|    Tom Roberts to Ed Lake    |
|    Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Exper    |
|    29 Jun 18 07:27:59    |
      From: tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net              On 6/23/18 11:15 AM, Ed Lake wrote:       > Einstein's thought experiments produced papers which showed that time is       > variable: The faster you travel, the slower time advances for you, i,e., the       > slower your clocks will tick, the slower you will age, the slower your hair       > will grow, etc.              This is just plain not true, and Einstein's thought experiments and papers show       no such thing.              These thought experiments describe Special Relativity (SR), which predicts that       no matter how you might move (relative to anything), your clocks tick at their       usual rate, you age at your usual rate, your hair grows at its usual rate, etc.       -- all as measured BY YOU (as your words say).              The underlying reason for this prediction is very basic: the first postulate of       SR says that the laws of physics are the same in every inertial frame. So the       laws that govern the ticking of your clocks, your ageing, and the growing of       your hair, are ALWAYS THE SAME in your rest frame, regardless of how your frame       might be moving (relative to anything). Since the laws are the same, the       ticking, ageing, and growth rates must all be the same, TO YOU (i.e. as       measured       in your rest frame).              > It took a long time for actual experiments to confirm that. But they did.              Hmmm. Experiments have NOT confirmed what you said above, but they have       confirmed many times the ACTUAL predictions of SR. This includes "time       dilation": clocks tick at their usual rate when measured in their rest frame,       and are observed to tick more slowly by observers relative to whom they are       moving.               [Note that in SR this is due to the geometrical relationship        between relatively-moving inertial frames, and not any effect        on the intrinsic tick rate of clocks.]              > [... further confusions and incorrect claims]              These thought experiments describe and illuminate Special Relativity. In order       to improve the quality and accuracy of your paper about them, first you must       learn what Special Relativity ACTUALLY predicts. At present, your paper is       completely useless because it describes YOUR mistakes and confusions, not       Einstein's thought experiments and theory.               [A major error is thinking that some observations are "correct"        and others are "incorrect" (in your unusual sense that they are        consistent with the laws of physics). So for a stone dropped from        a moving train, on page 5 you claim the embankment observation is        "correct" while the on-train observation is "incorrect". You have        failed to grasp the first postulate, and the FACT that the relevant        laws of physics are INDEPENDENT of frame -- BOTH descriptions are        "correct" (in your unusual sense of consistent with the known laws;        it's just that you did not apply the ACTUAL laws as they are known).        How can an observation possibly be "incorrect"?? -- after all,        observers observe what they observe. Even with your unusual        meaning of "correct", how can an observer possibly violate the        laws of physics???]              Tom Roberts              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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