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|    Ed Lake to Tom Roberts    |
|    Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Exper    |
|    29 Jun 18 22:32:28    |
      From: detect@newsguy.com              On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:28:03 AM UTC-5, Tom Roberts wrote:              < snip >              > These thought experiments describe and illuminate Special Relativity. In       order       > to improve the quality and accuracy of your paper about them, first you must       > learn what Special Relativity ACTUALLY predicts. At present, your paper is       > completely useless because it describes YOUR mistakes and confusions, not       > Einstein's thought experiments and theory.       >       > [A major error is thinking that some observations are "correct"       > and others are "incorrect" (in your unusual sense that they are       > consistent with the laws of physics). So for a stone dropped from       > a moving train, on page 5 you claim the embankment observation is       > "correct" while the on-train observation is "incorrect". You have       > failed to grasp the first postulate, and the FACT that the relevant       > laws of physics are INDEPENDENT of frame -- BOTH descriptions are       > "correct" (in your unusual sense of consistent with the known laws;       > it's just that you did not apply the ACTUAL laws as they are known).       > How can an observation possibly be "incorrect"?? -- after all,       > observers observe what they observe. Even with your unusual       > meaning of "correct", how can an observer possibly violate the       > laws of physics???]              If a moving observer notices no difference in the passing of time in his       reference frame, but then COMPARES his time to the time of a non-moving       observer, there will be a difference. The moving observer's time passed       at a slower rate.              So, his view that there was "no difference" in the passing of time while       he was moving was INCORRECT. There WAS a difference. Time passed at a       slower rate while he was moving.              If the moving observer drops a stone and sees it fall straight down,       while a stationary observer sees that stone fall in a parabolic curve,       their conflicting views cannot both be "correct."              The view that the stone falls straight down is INCORRECT because that       view fails to notice the effects of inertia.              If the two observers sit down and discuss what they saw, they will agree       that the stone did not and could not fall straight down from a moving       train. So, that view was "incorrect." It was an "illusion."              It is also an "illusion" that you age at your "normal" rate when moving       fast. That "illusion" is understood when the moving and stationary       observers sit down together and compare what happened. The faster you       move, the slower time passes for you - even though you notice nothing       different happening.              Einstein made that very clear in his 1905 paper: "Thence we conclude       that a balance-clock at the equator must go more slowly, by a very small       amount, than a precisely similar clock situated at one of the poles       under otherwise identical conditions."              You move faster at the equator due to the spin of the earth. You can       argue that the slightly flattened shape of the earth actually offsets       that effect, but Einstein was using a "thought experiment" which       involved a perfectly spherical Earth.              Ed              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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