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|    Tom Roberts to Gregor Scholten    |
|    Re: The tower of the twins    |
|    10 Jul 18 07:32:59    |
      From: tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net              On 7/6/18 9:34 AM, Gregor Scholten wrote:       > Nicolaas Vroom wrote:       >> [... twin paradox] the reason why A's clock is ticking faster is physical.       >       > Physical, but frame-dependent.              I disagree with both claims, and I think SR disagrees with both of these       statements, too. This is partly about English word usage, but there is an       important aspect of physics here:              A's clock is NOT ticking faster (than B's), it is ticking at its usual rate,       the       same rate as clock B. This is required by the first postulate of SR.               One can say: "A ticks more times than B". One can also say        "As measured in frame A, A ticks faster than B". But when        one says "A ticks faster than B", one is talking about JUST        THE CLOCKS; it is wrong: clocks tick at the same rate because        the laws of physics that govern their ticking are the same.              The reason why clock A ticks more times is geometrical, not physical (for any       reasonable meanings of these words) -- clock B took a shorter path through       spacetime than clock A.              Note also that frames and coordinates are artificial human constructs used to       DESCRIBE experiments and measurements; Nature uses no frames or coordinates. So       anything that is frame- or coordinate-dependent cannot possibly be physical (in       the sense that it appears in some law of physics).              All too many popular descriptions of relativity get this wrong -- "Moving       clocks       run slow" is WRONG. These authors do students no favors by ignoring the first       postulate -- to advance to physics beyond SR, it is essential to understand       the coordinate independence of the laws of physics.              Tom Roberts              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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