From: edprochak@gmail.com   
      
   On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 8:57:31 PM UTC-4, Nicolaas Vroom wrote:   
   > On Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:38:32 UTC+2, Tom Roberts  wrote:   
   > >   
   > > It OUGHT to be clear that NOTHING we observe can be inconsistent with   
   > > the laws of physics -- we and any physical process we observe are   
   > > necessarily constrained by those laws. I did not "set down a rule" that   
   > > is not already contained in the phrase "laws of physics".   
   >   
   > I would like to comment on this in a rather 'open' sense.   
   > First of all identical processes (experiments) have identical descriptions.   
   > Different processes have different descriptions.   
   > Almost identical processes have almost identical descriptions. The   
   > differences in these descriptions we call the parameters of the processes.   
   > That all seems simple but the reality is more complex.   
   > The first problem is we humans. We humans write the descriptions based   
   > on our observations.   
      
   > Nicolaas Vroom   
      
   Very nice commentary. I cut it short   
   because I have a short and simple comment.   
      
   Of course the first variation of this that I learned   
   is in the form of two of Murphy's laws   
      
   Mother nature sides with the hidden flaw.   
   and   
   Mother nature is a b!^(#   
      
   I have heard other variations on this idea,   
   but a good friend of mine sums it up this way:   
      
   All theories are wrong. Some are useful.   
      
   Keeping that idea in mind has hopefully helped me   
   be humble in some of these discussions. I don't   
   have the ANSWER. I don't KNOW the TRUTH. I can   
   only accept the best information and best interpretation   
   available.   
      
      
   Ed P   
      
   [[Mod. note -- Another variant on this idea is:   
      The Three Laws of Thermodynamics:   
      1) You can't win, only lose or break even.   
      2) You can only break even at absolute zero.   
      3) You can't get to absolute zero.   
   -- jt]]   
      
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