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   On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 12:11:10 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:   
   > On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 9:31:48 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:   
   >> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 12:56:03 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:   
   >>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 3:11:05 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:   
      
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   >>>> Instead, you should do as Einstein recommended and have the observers   
   >>>> COMPARE the tick rates of their clocks.  The clock that is moving the   
   >>>> fastest will tick at the slowest rate.  Thus, instead of fantasizing   
   >>>> that you are stationary and the other observer is moving, you can   
   >>>> determine who is ACTUALLY moving faster than whom.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is the problem, You cannot tell who is "ACTUALLY"   
   >>> moving. Einstein never made such a statement that it would   
   >>> tell you who is "ACTUALLY" moving.   
   >>   
   >> That is because, in Einstein's universe, EVERYTHING IS MOVING.  So,   
   >> the question is not who is actually moving, the only question is:   
   >> Who is moving FASTER or SLOWER than whom?   
   >>   
   > You are still grasping for an absolute frame. Einstein did not   
   > say everything is moving. (If you have a quote, you can correct me)   
   > He said motion is measured relative to a frame of reference.   
      
   Yes, "motion is measured relative to a frame of reference" whether the   
   frame of reference is moving or not.  Einstein didn't "say" everything   
   is moving, he ASSUMED everything is moving.   
      
   Einstein defines a "stationary system" as one where light travels from A   
   to B in the same time it travels from B to A.  He states on page 3 of   
   his 1905 paper:   
      
   "It is essential to have time defined by means of stationary clocks in the   
   stationary system, and the time now defined being appropriate to the stationary   
   system we call it 'the time of the stationary system.'"   
      
   That "stationary system" can be traveling at any speed.  It is not truly   
   "stationary."  It is a "stationary system," which only means its points   
   are stationary relative to one another.   
      
   Then at the bottom of page 10 Einstein says,   
      
   "If at the points A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed   
   in the stationary system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is   
   moved with the velocity v along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at   
   B the two clocks no longer synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B   
   lags behind the other which has remained at B."   
      
   So, in this "stationary system" (which can be moving at any speed slower   
   than the speed of light), if a clock moves parallel to the movement of   
   the system, that clock will show that it ran slower while moving.   
      
   In other words, you can determine who moves WITHIN a "stationary system" by   
   whose clock slowed down.   
      
   And you can tell which "stationary system" is moving faster or slower   
   than the other by comparing clock tick rates.  The system where clocks   
   tick slowest is the system which is moving fastest.   
      
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   > Even if the universe began as a point-like location,   
   > it now has no definable/observable center point.   
      
   True, it is not observable because it is not in the "observable   
   universe," where the lights didn't turn on until millions of years after   
   the Big Bang.   
      
   BUT, if you can tell who is moving faster than whom, and if you cannot   
   move faster than the speed of light, then there MUST be a point where   
   things would be truly stationary.  It would be the point where time   
   ticks at its fastest rate.   
      
   Ed   
      
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