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|    Edward Prochak to Gregor Scholten    |
|    Re: Higgs and Aether    |
|    15 Jul 18 22:44:09    |
      From: edprochak@gmail.com              Thanks to all for your interesting comments.              On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 9:34:50 PM UTC-4, Gregor Scholten wrote:       > Edward Prochak wrote:       []       >       > What is a crucial difference between the Higgs field and an aether is       > that an aether would define a preferred frame of reference, since one       > could find out whether oneself is moving with respece to the aether or       > not, whereas the Higgs field does not. The Higgs field is       > Lorentz-invariant, it looks the same in all frames of reference. So, it       > is not defined if one is moving with respect to the Higgs field or not.       >       >       > > Aether was a fixed reference frame       > > Higgs particles move(?)       >       > If Higgs particles permeated the all of space (what they do not), they       > would define a preferred frame of reference, like an aether would do.       > Even if they moved with respect to each other, there would be a frame of       > reference defined in which their average velocities would be minimal.       >       > But since it is the Higgs field that permeates all of space and not the       > Higgs bosons, there is no preferred frame defined.       >              yes I know the Aether was a preferred reference frame       but now I see HOW the Higgs is not such a frame. Thanks.              >       > > For example, is the Higgs related to the       > > relativistic length contraction?       >       > The field equation for the Higgs field is Lorentz-invariant, i.e. it is       > related to Lorentz transformation, and by this, to Lorentz contraction.       >       > The Higgs field is not responsible for the Lorentz Contraction of       > material bodies, though.       >       >       > > relativistic mass increase?       >       > First, we should note the relativistic mass increase is an obsoleted       > concept. According to modern terminology, the mass of a body does not       > increase when the body is moving. The energy increases (and approaches       > infinity for v -> c), but not the mass. So, what we call mass today is       > what was called rest mass in the early days of Special Relativity.       >       > Second, even if we use the obsoleted terminology of relativistic mass       > increase, the Higgs mechanism is responsibly for the rest mass only, not       > for mass increase.       >       > Let's go more into mathematical detail. Let m denote the (rest) mass of       > a particle, p its momentum und E its energy, then we have       >       > E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2       >       > What Higgs mechanismus is responsible for is the term (mc^2)^2. One       > could re-write this term to (h phi)^2, where phi is the local value of       > the Higgs field and h the coupling constant between the considered       > particle and the Higgs field.       >       > What was called mass increase in earlier days was that one defined a       > dynamic mass m' that obeys E = m' c^2, so that       >       > E^2 = (m' c^2)^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2       >       > <=> m' = (m^2 + (p/c)^2)^(1/2)       >       > So, the Higgs mechanism relevant only in that way that it generates a       > non-zero (rest) mass m that can be increased (according to the obsoleted       > terminology).              AGAIN thanks to all the posters from some interesting information.       I have a copy of a book on particle physics and hope to go       through that. It may take me some time though! 8^)              Ed              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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