From: poraty149@gmail.com   
      
   On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 6:43:41 PM UTC+3, Gregor Scholten wrote:   
   > Y Porat wrote:   
   >   
   > > so we see that   
   > > for gravity we need 2 **active physical entities*   
   >   
   > Which entities do you mean?   
   >   
   >   
   > > and mass becomes  an  ** active physical entity   
   > > NOT A PASSIVE PHYSICAL ENTITY ANY MORE ??!!   
   > > ie   
   > > producing forces !....   
   >   
   > Already Newton considered mass as producing gravitational forces, so in   
   > that sense, mass has always been considered as "active".   
   >   
   >   
   > > so how'suddenly ' active ??!!    by what ??   
   > > while 'we....'see' in mass (until now)   
   > > just a passive physical  entity ??!!   
   >   
   > Following you definition of "active", we have never seen a passive   
   > entity in mass.   
      
      
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   at the beginning   
   a request from the moderator!!   
      
   please dont block me   
      
   because Scholten asked me a question   
   and  in order to be 'fair '' (discussion   
    i have to answer !!   
      
   Scolten asked me   
   ''which  entity i mean ''   
   so   
      
   i claimed  that in order to get gravity   
   we need  at  least 2 masses'   
   is it not   obvious ?!   
      
   if we have **just one mass in space **   
   will  it makes not any gravitation  force ??!!   
      
   and even if it does it   
   how can we detect and know  that was there a gravitation   
    force ??!!   
   2   
   until  now mass is considered as a passive physical entity ]   
   Newton took it as active in distance   
    he took it as a n assumption   
   he even formulated the gravitation force in distance !!!!   
      
   but never explain ***how/why  it is done !!!   
   he took it as an assumption   
   (that BTW is right )   
   but never was explained how and why   
      
   Einstein tried to explain it   
   by   
   ''curved space '   
      
   [[Mod. note -- Actually curved *spacetime*. -- jt]]   
      
   but never explained   
   how is that curved space   
   is acting   
   ONLY** WHILE MASS IS THERE !!!!   
   AND HOW MASS IS REACTING   
   IN ''COOPERATION WITH  SPACE ??   
   TO   MAKE   
   is for instance   
      
   space is pushing mass  to move is   
   in curved lines ??   
   and what are the **physics tools**cpace ''has'   
   or to force  mass to move  thet way   
   it moves  or   
   to**do** anything ??!!   
   2   
   i had a theory that explain it   
   (all the above )   
   in some basic fundamental tiny particle   
   that move ''naturally' in a curved line   
   and   
   that stems!! out of mass !!!!!   
      
   indeed looks fantastic   
   but we have to give it   
   a chance'' !!!   
   moreover   
   i used it in  my model as a basic subparticle   
   that is building **both*!!   
   particles   
   and** forces as well !   
      
   anyone  could see  it along years(decades ) !!   
   at  the ordinary 'sci physics'   
      
   TIA   
   Y.P   
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