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|    Pettersen,Roald to All    |
|    Re: The cyclist    |
|    04 Sep 18 22:54:02    |
      From: roald@nomail.invalid              >>> For the entire steep ascent, the cyclist A (in the absence of the air       >>> resistance) maintains the comfortable CONSTANT speed of one meter per       >>> second       >>>       >>> Instead the cyclist B maintains (in the same ascent) the CONSTANT speed       >>> of 10 m/s (ten times the speed of A).       >>>       >>> Is the FORCE on the pedals of the cyclist B equal to or greater than       >>> that of the cyclist A?       >>       >> In an ideal situation with no energy loss the force is the same.       >       > They both have to overcome the same potential energy (mgh) so, all else       > being equal---in particular, how fast they are pedalling---the force is       > the same (see my longer followup to this, which has not yet appeared as       > I write).       >       >> The biggest difference is that B most work his body 10 times as fast as A.       >>       >> So you can say you don't need a stronger bike to go faster uphill,       >> but you need a stronger/faster body to push the pedal faster.       >       > B would have to pedal faster if he is in the same gear as A, but in that       > case the force would be less. So EITHER the force is the same, as is       > the speed of pedalling, but B is in a higher gear, OR B is pedalling       > faster because because he is in the same gear as A, but in that case the       > force would be less.              Let's forget about bikes, gears, air resistance and up and down.       If a body is pushed with greater force, then it will accelerate away.       But B is not accelerating. B is "only" going with a constant speed.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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