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|    Lawrence Crowell to jacque...@neuf.fr    |
|    Re: general relativity, comparison of th    |
|    29 Sep 18 18:41:02    |
      From: goldenfieldquaternions@gmail.com              [[Mod. note -- I have rewrapped overly-long lines. -- jt]]              On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 1:04:31 AM UTC-5, jacque...@neuf.fr wrote:       > Hello       >       > The timelike geodesic in Schwarzschild spacetime can be written in GR:       >       > E^2 -1 = (dr/d_tau)^2 -2GM/r +(L/r)^2 - (2GM L^2)/r^3 (1)       >       > where E is the relativistic conserved energy of a unitary mass, on the       > geodesic and L its conserved angular momentum.       >       > In Newtonian mechanics the Hamiltonian is       >       > e = 1/2 (dr.dt)^2 - GM/r + (1/2)(l/r)^2 (2)       >       > where e is the total conserved energy on the geodesic of a unitary mass       > and l its conserved angular momentum.       >       > In weak field, for r >> rs, we may neglect the last term in       > (1/r^3). Usually one divide equation 1 by 2 for getting a similar form.       >       > (E^2 -1)/2 = (1/2)(dr/d_tau)^2 -GM/r + (1/2)(L/r)^2 (3)       >       >       > But for convergence of equations (2) and (3), we have to assume that       > e = (E^2 -1)/2.       >       > That is the point that I do not understand: How an energy can be equal       > to a square energy?       >       > Thanks for help.       > jacques              This is a terribly incovenient format for reading or writing math.       However, I will try to do this. Let me start with the Schwarzschild       line element              ds^2 = (1 - 2m/r)dt^2 - dr^2/(1 - 2m/r) - r^2dOmega^2. m = GM/c^2              I divide through by dt^2 and have, v^r = dr/ds and so forth. The       angular part I reduce to a single angle that parameterizes a circular       orbit and I call that angle @. Further for a circular orbit dr and       v^r = 0. So this becomes              (ds/dt)^2 = (1 - 2m/r)(U^t)^2 - r^2(v^@)^2,              In the non-relativistic limit we have U^t = 1 and we can write this as              (ds/dt)^2 - 1 = 2m/r + r^2(v^@)^2.              This looks suspiciously similar to a Lagrangian, and by dividing through       by 2 and setting rv^@ = v, the orbital velocity, then              (ds/dt)^2 - 1 = L = 1/2 mv^2 + mc^2/r.              There is an implicit c^2 with the (1 =E2=80=93 2m/r)dt^2 and this       reduces things to              L = 1/2 mv^2 + GM/r.              I am presuming all readers know how to work with Lagrangians.              The line element is formally the same as an action. So this is a       quick way to see a connection between general relativity and Newtonian       gravity. One does not need to work through all the Christoffel       symbols and the rest.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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