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|    Lawrence Crowell to Sabbir Rahman    |
|    Re: Dark energy, dark matter and negativ    |
|    03 Nov 18 11:26:23    |
      From: goldenfieldquaternions@gmail.com              On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:57:56 AM UTC-6, Sabbir Rahman wrote:       > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:25:34 PM UTC+3, Lawrence Crowell wrote:       > > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:24:01 AM UTC-6, ben...@hotmail.com wr=       ote:       > > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 10:21:57 PM UTC, Tom Roberts wrote:       > > >> ...       > > >> For test particles the GR prediction is unambiguous:=20       > > >> regardless of the test particle's mass (including sign, if any) it=20       > > >> "falls downward" toward a positive mass and "falls upward" away from=        a=20       > > >> negative mass.       > > >>       > > >> While there is currently no experimental evidence of antimatter's=20       > > >> behavior in gravity, the mass of every known antiparticle is=20       > > >> unequivocally positive.       > > >> ...       > > >       > > > I am not clear how it is shown that antimatter unequivocally has       > > > positive mass? As both positive and negative test masses are attract=       ed       > > > to the positive mass of the earth, then how can attraction to the ear=       th       > > > be used to distinguish between a positive and a negative test mass?       > >=20       > > It makes little sense that antimatter has negative inertial mass. The       > > particle antiparticle interaction would give mc^2 - mc^2 =3D E =3D 0, w=       here       > > experiments measure photons. The gravitational mass is an open       > > questions, and an experiment at CERN is being set up to measure this       > > with anti-hydrogen atoms.       > >=20       > > LC       >=20       > This is actually not correct.       >=20       > If you take the time to work it out (by considering the interactions betw=       een       > the four classes of particles I mention), you will actually find that the       > energy and momentum of a particle of type (I,A,P) has to have a factor of       > IAP in front of the usual definition, so the momentum p =3D IAPmv, the ki=       netic=20       > energy E =3D IAPmv^2/2, and the rest mass energy is IAP mc^2.       >=20       > So your assumption that negative inertial mass implies negative energy is=       =20       > not correct in general.       >=20       > In actual fact, the rest mass energy is positive for particles of class A       > and D, and negative for particles of class B and C.       >=20       > Now, antiparticles are of type D (well at least according to the claim ma=       de       > here), and therefore have positive energy, so the total energy released u=       pon=20       > annihilation of a particle-antiparticle pair is positive (and equal to=20       > 2mc^2), as expected.              You are sort of creating a physics that is at best nonstandard. Within that=        setting you claim my statement is false. Within standard physics I hold to=        what I claim. Now if antimatter changes the sign of gravitational mass, bu=       t not inertial mass, then antimatter would fall upwards. This would be an a=       dulteration of the Einstein equivalence principle. I doubt this is the case=       , but the CERN experiment, a reference I sent yesterday, will demonstrate w=       hether this is or is not the case.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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