Forums before death by AOL, social media and spammers... "We can't have nice things"
|    sci.physics.research    |    Current physics research. (Moderated)    |    17,516 messages    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
|    Message 16,443 of 17,516    |
|    ben6993@hotmail.com to Tom Roberts    |
|    Re: Preparation of electron spin directi    |
|    01 Mar 19 09:09:31    |
      On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 7:27:32 AM UTC, Tom Roberts wrote:       > On 2/26/19 1:30 PM, ben6993 wrote:       > > "However, I do not believe that electrons can be aligned exactly in       > > a given direction. [...]       >       > In the decay of a pi- to anti_nu_e and e-, the helicity of the electron       > must be exactly +1, so its spin is exactly parallel to its 3-momentum.       > No other value will satisfy the conservation of angular momentum.       >       > Similarly for the much more frequent decay of pi- to anti_nu_mu and mu-.       >       > Note that helicity is a scalar, so this applies in any inertial frame       > (not just the pi- rest frame).       >       > Tom Roberts              Thank you, Tom.              I am not clear that the electron spin axis in your post has been aligned       exactly with a given direction. I agree that it is aligned in the       direction of its linear momentum, but that direction was not (could not       be?) a given or pre-selected direction.              Suppose the electron subsequently traveled on to meet Alice's detector.       In general, Alice's detector vector (a) could be at any angle to the       electron spin axis vector (p).              IMO what happens when the electron is detected by Alice is that either       the electron is already in its lowest energy state wrt the detector and       so will retain its spin vector p or else it will switch to a lower       energy state by emitting a photon and changing its own spin axis to one       along spin vector -p. (S-G detectors can give a reading of +1 or -1       rather than null or +1, but I used the easier version for convenience of       description.)              What IMO the electron does not do is change its exact spin axis to       vector +a or -a. But someone's model for a Bell test implies that I am       wrong.              Referring to your post, I am not sure where you write "the helicity of       the electron must be exactly +1," I thought that the helicity of an       electron cannot exceed 0.5? Unless you mean 100% projection onto the       direction of linear momentum. Or I wondered if you meant e- + anti_µ       had +1 helicity in total?              Commenting on the rest of your post to see if I understand ... The       anti_µ must have spin (both helicity and chirality) = +0.5 as it has       restricted handedness. That forces the electron to have chirality -0.5,       so that the chirality of the pair is zero which matches the original       chirality before decay. So the anti_µ moves off in one direction and       the electron moves in the opposite direction with chirality -0.5 but       with helicity +0.5.              I note that as helicity is defined wrt the linear momentum vector, then       helicity is tied to the direction of motion of the particle. So it is       not observer dependent. However I have always thought of chirality as       the more ph ysically important as it gives spin direction in the       particle's rest frame, despite difficulties in observing chirality       directly.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
(c) 1994, bbs@darkrealms.ca