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   Stefan Ram to J.B. Wood   
   Re: Energy Conservation Question   
   07 Apr 19 07:54:56   
   
   From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de   
      
   "J.B. Wood"  writes:   
   >knowledge of physics) with a simple lowering of the exploration team   
   >down on a cable, and later winching them back up.   
   >Given this, you're correct: E_up must be larger than E_down due to the   
   >planet's gravitational field.  The usual terms for this are "gravitational   
      
     The OP defined E-Down as "the amount of energy required by   
     the transporter".   
      
     When the team is lowered down a cable, the system cable+team   
     can /do work/ in the spaceship, for example, run a power   
     generator. So the energy /required/ to lower the team is   
     /negative/, E-Down < 0.   
      
     To raise the team up again, positive energie has to be   
     /supplied/ to the system cable+plus team, so E-Up > 0.   
      
     In mathematics, positive numbers are deemed to be larger   
     than negative numbers, so E-Up > E-Down (without the need   
     to ressort to more subtle physical phenomena).   
      
     PS: I will try to write my posts to this group in ASCII-only   
     from now on.   
      
     PPS: The OP wrote that the spaceship "assumes orbit around   
     an earth-sized" planet. A spaceship in orbit usually has a   
     huge velocity normal to the surface. When it lowers   
     anything on a cable, this shares that normal velocity.   
     However, when there is no atmosphere and the surface is a   
     perfectly spherical and the surface is made of a   
     hypothetical material with an extremely small friction,   
     it might be possible to survive this. But possibly the   
     large normal velocity would mean that the team will   
     immediately leave the surface again, or not even ever   
     arrive there. As soon as the angular velocity of the team   
     and the space ship differs, the cable will have to ...   
     Well one could go on and on about this, but maybe at this   
     point my time budget for this post is exhausted.   
      
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