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   Message 16,466 of 17,516   
   Stefan Ram to Stefan Ram   
   Re: Energy Conservation Question (1/4)   
   12 Apr 19 10:59:34   
   
   From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de   
      
   ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:   
   >Since this linear tangential speed (the linear tangential   
   >momentum of the lowered mass) is a conserved quantity, it   
   >must be reduced somehow (via the cable?). (The Earth's   
      
     Here are the results of some simulations I ran using gcc.   
      
     First, a geostationary satellite S with a mass of 1,000 kg   
     orbiting the earth E. "S" is the position of the satellite   
     at the end of the simulation, where it is near its start   
     position again.   
      
   #######################################################################   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                  ss                                 #   
   #                          sssS     sssssss                           #   
   #                        sss              sss                         #   
   #                      sss                  sss                       #   
   #                     ss                      ss                      #   
   #                    ss                        ss                     #   
   #                    s                          s                     #   
   #                   ss             E            ss                    #   
   #                   ss                          ss                    #   
   #                    s                          s                     #   
   #                    ss                        ss                     #   
   #                     ss                      ss                      #   
   #                      sss                  sss                       #   
   #                        sss              sss                         #   
   #                          ssssssssssssssss                           #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #######################################################################   
      
     Now, the satellite is given a push towards the earth at the   
     start of the simulation when it is at the top in the image   
     (it then starts to moves to the right and down) Effectively,   
     this moves its orbit to the left, but the satellite is not   
     falling onto our Earth.   
      
   FLOAT dsy{     -1000 }; /* satellite's vertical velocity comp.   */   
      
   #######################################################################   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                       sssssS     s                                  #   
   #                   sssss          sssss                              #   
   #                 sss                  sss                            #   
   #               sss                      sss                          #   
   #              ss                          ss                         #   
   #             ss                            ss                        #   
   #             s                              s                        #   
   #             s                    E         s                        #   
   #             s                              s                        #   
   #             s                             ss                        #   
   #             ss                            s                         #   
   #              ss                          ss                         #   
   #               sss                      sss                          #   
   #                 sss                  sss                            #   
   #                   sssss         ssssss                              #   
   #                       sssssssssss                                   #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #######################################################################   
      
     Next, the satellite is placed at the same spot as before (at   
     the top in the image), but with only half the velocity   
     needed for the circular geostationary orbit it had on the   
     first image. It starts to fall towards the Earth, but then   
     enters an elliptic orbit instead of landing on the earth.   
     (Atmosphere is not simulated.)   
      
   FLOAT dsy{ dgy/2     }; /* satellite's vertical velocity comp.   */   
   FLOAT dsx{ dgx/2     }; /* satellite's horizontal velocity comp. */   
      
   #######################################################################   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                  s                                  #   
   #                                  ssss                               #   
   #                             sS      ss                              #   
   #                            ss        ss                             #   
   #                            s          s                             #   
   #                            s          s                             #   
   #                            ss        ss                             #   
   #                             ss   E  ss                              #   
   #                              ssssssss                               #   
   #                                 ss                                  #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                                                     #   
   #######################################################################   
      
     Finally, the speed of the satellite is multiplied with 0.99999   
     every second. This seems to be the way to go when one wants to   
     land at the Earth. One needs retrorockets or something equivalent   
     to get rid of the kinetic energy. We /need/ more energy just to   
     /reduce/ our kinetic energy! The satellite is spiraling down   
     towards the Earth.   
      
   dsx *= static_cast< FLOAT >( 0.99999 );   
   dsy *= static_cast< FLOAT >( 0.99999 );   
      
   #######################################################################   
   #                                                                     #   
   #                                  ss                                 #   
   #                                   sssssss                           #   
   #                                         sss                         #   
   #                                           ss                        #   
      
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