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   Jos Bergervoet to All   
   Re: Series expansion   
   02 Jun 19 18:35:48   
   
   From: jos.bergervoet@nxp.com   
      
   On 19/05/25 4:06 PM, MM wrote:   
   > On Sat, 25 May 2019 10:14:13 +0100, mfreeman1943 wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 3:29:19 PM UTC-7, MM wrote:   
   >>> Hello all.   
   >>> Straight to the point, stemming from a problem concerning a phi^3   
   >>> potential.   
   >>>   
   >>> How to find out the series expansion for s = s(t) given by the implicit   
   >>> equation:   
   >>>   
   >>> 18 t + s(1+s) (1+2s) =0   
   >>>   
   >>> There actually exists a closed expression for series s(t) = sum_k s_k   
   >>> t^k   
   >>   
   >> Since t is a cubic in s, you could use the solution of the cubic to get   
   >> s(t) - no series necessary.   
   >   
   > I need the series expansion, that's precisely the point. t> 0.   
      
   You could start in the usual way with Mathematica:   
      
   <0. Plot   
       them to be sure:  *)   
      
   Plot[{s2}, {t,-2,2}]        (* and the same for the others *)   
      
   (* Now let's expand in a point a>0, up to 7th power:  *)   
      
   ser = Series[s2, {t,a, 7}]   
      
   (* or did you want the expansion to be around t=0 ?  *)   
      
   ser = Series[s2, {t,0, 7}]   
      
   (* Anyhow, you can now ask for the series coefficients:  *)   
      
   SeriesCoefficient[ser, 0]   
   SeriesCoefficient[ser, 1]   
       (* ... *)   
   SeriesCoefficient[ser, 6]   
   SeriesCoefficient[ser, 7]   
      
      
   >   
   > I don't see any obvious way to find out the generic s_k .   
      
   If you want a closed form expression for any k then the above   
   approach does not immediately help..   
      
   And if you want at least to have reasonably short expressions,   
   you will have to stick to the a=0 case. For general a, the 7th   
   coefficient, for (t-a)^7, spans more than 1000 lines of text,   
   whereas the 6th already needs a few pages:   
      
                           2/3   
   Coeff[6]= (6428310336 3    (1 + I Sqrt[3])   
      
                                                      3   
            (-245268 Sqrt[3] a + 69536102400 Sqrt[3] a  +   
      
                                        5                                  7   
              5996269108297728 Sqrt[3] a  - 900884751948397412352 Sqrt[3] a  +   
      
                                                  9   
              14010559662301476556898304 Sqrt[3] a  +   
      
                                                      11   
              301696925355848164725529509888 Sqrt[3] a   +   
      
                                   2               2                  2   
              143 Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] - 338162688 a  Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] +   
      
                             4                  2   
              3565569466368 a  Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] +   
      
                                   6                  2   
              5632312076917014528 a  Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] -   
      
                                        8                  2   
              169643528674590528110592 a  Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] -   
      
                                            10                  2   
              2793490049591186710421569536 a   Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ])) /   
      
                        2 11/2                                    2  19/3   
          ((-1 + 34992 a )     (-324 a + Sqrt[3] Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ])    ) -   
      
                      1/3   
         (6428310336 3    (1 - I Sqrt[3])   
      
                                                     3   
            (-59940 Sqrt[3] a + 91409741568 Sqrt[3] a  -   
      
                                        5                                  7   
              4491912250146816 Sqrt[3] a  - 351824814370380054528 Sqrt[3] a  +   
      
                                                  9   
              13222983823296363969380352 Sqrt[3] a  +   
      
                                                     11   
              63820503440660188691938934784 Sqrt[3] a   -   
      
                                   2               2                  2   
              143 Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] - 255161664 a  Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] +   
      
                              4                  2   
              46332812021760 a  Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] +   
      
                                   6                  2   
              1327185513742860288 a  Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] -   
      
                                        8                  2   
              130878830945781380284416 a  Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ] -   
      
                                           10                  2   
              590930587413520265666101248 a   Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ])) /   
      
                        2 11/2                                    2  17/3   
          ((-1 + 34992 a )     (-324 a + Sqrt[3] Sqrt[-1 + 34992 a ])    )   
      
      
      
      
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