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   Stefan Ram to Sylvia Else   
   Re: The Twin Paradox: the role of accele   
   25 Jun 19 20:37:53   
   
   From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de   
      
   Sylvia Else  writes:   
   >Yet if we perform an experiment that doesn't accelerate anything, but   
   >instead transfers clock readings between observers travelling in   
   >different directions, we still get a "twin paradox" style result.   
      
     The crucial thing is that two macroscopic systems that are   
     localized at each point in time, but also moveable (the   
     twins), meet /twice/.   
      
     They meet at an event A. Then they both travel to a later   
     event B where they then meet again. (An event being   
     determined by a certain place and a certain time.)   
      
     The proper time passed between A and B can depend on the   
     path taken from A to B. It is given by the integral of all   
     infinitesimal differences of proper time ds from A to B,   
     where, IIRC,   
      
   ds² = dx² + dy² + dz² - dt²   
      
     . This integral is determined for each twin by the worldline   
     taken between A and B. This integral might differ between   
     the twins. (But, of course, this is not a contradiction   
     ["paradox"].)   
      
     So, the proper time passed between A and B might differ for   
     the twins. But the proper times passed can only be compared   
     when they meet again. And therefore, it is crucial that they   
     meet twice.   
      
     This integral is not changed by someone calling some parts   
     of that wordline "accelerated". The word "acceleration" is   
     not needed to describe what is happening here.   
      
     To a traveller, acceleration by a field of gravity (i.e.,   
     free fall) feels just like resting in spaces without   
     gravity. (As long as tidal forces are small.) However, being   
     accelerated by a push by another body (e.g., a rocket floor)   
     can feel totally different because this force does not apply   
     to all points of the traveller with the same intensity. So   
     acceleration can have totally different effects on   
     macroscopic bodies depending on how it is applied.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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