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|    Tom Roberts to Nicolaas Vroom    |
|    Re: The Twin Paradox: the role of accele    |
|    05 Jul 19 23:48:02    |
      From: tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net              On 7/4/19 2:41 PM, Nicolaas Vroom wrote:       > On Thursday, 4 July 2019 09:19:55 UTC+2, Tom Roberts wrote:       >> Ultimately, the twin paradox displays the basic geometrical fact       >> that different paths between a given pair of points can have       >> different path lengths.       >       > This is a 'difficult' explanation.              Not really. It is everybody's experience in traveling different paths       with different lengths between a given pair of endpoints. The only       subtlety is that for a timelike path in relativity, proper time is the       path length.              > The easiest explanation is (?) that this is a physical issue which       > depends on the inner workings of the clock.              But that is woefully incorrect. If the "inner workings of the clock" are       affected by its motion, then the first postulate of SR must be violated.       Because, after all, the laws of physics govern the inner workings of       every clock. To date we have observed no such violation.              > More or less the same why moving pendulum clocks on a moving ship       > don't work properly (moving from A to B and back).              That is COMPLETELY different. A "pendulum clock" is not really a clock       until one adds the entire earth to the "clock". A moving ship (rocking       and pitching in the sea) disturbs the relationship between pendulum and       earth.              > Moving clocks working on light signals have the same problem.              No, they don't. In its rest frame, a light clock ticks happily at its       usual rate. Like all other clocks, this is so regardless of the inertial       motion of that rest frame.              Authors of popular works on science that claim "moving clocks run slow"       are WRONG, and are doing students no favors by make such incorrect       claims. Moving clocks are OBSERVED to run slow, but the clock itself is       unaffected by its motion.               Remarkably, clocks are unaffected even by non-inertial        motion, as long as any proper acceleration is within the        clock's specifications. Muons are observed to decay with        their usual proper rate, even in a storage ring under        a proper acceleration of 10^18 g -- a truly enormous        acceleration. Nature creates remarkably robust clocks.        [Bailey et al, Nature 268 (July 28, 1977) pg 301.]              > When such a clock moves with the speed of light, the clock does not       > tick at all.              Cannot happen. No massive object can move at the speed of light, and the       mirrors of a light clock are massive.              Tom Roberts              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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