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|    Mike Fontenot to All    |
|    [External] When Does an Observer Become     |
|    04 Aug 19 16:59:09    |
      From: mlfasf@comcast.net              Inertial observers can legitimately use the famous time-dilation result       of special relativity to determine simultaneity at a distance. Observers       who are currently accelerating can't.              To be an inertial observer during some period of your life, do you have       to be a PERPETUALLY inertial observer? I.e., is it required that you       must NEVER have accelerated in the past, and that you can guarantee that       you will NEVER accelerate in the future?              Or, can you be an inertial observer if it has been long enough since you       stopped accelerating, and if you can guarantee that you will not       accelerate for some period of time into the future?              Or, can you be an inertial observer for some period of time, provided       that you don't accelerate during that period?              The question matters, because the answer specifies WHO is entitled to       use the famous time-dilation result, and WHEN can they use it, in order       to determine simultaneity at a distance.              Different answers to that question have produced several different       published procedures for answering the question, "How old is that       particular distant person, who is moving with respect to me, RIGHT NOW?".              Dolby and Gull, in their "Radar Simultaneity", say that an observer is       an inertial observer if he has not accelerated too recently, and will       not accelerate too far into the future (and they exactly specify how       much is too much). Dolby and Gull's method is clearly non-causal.              Minguzzi says that an observer is an inertial observer if he hasn't       accelerated too recently, but there is no requirement that he can't       accelerate at any time in the future.              The "Momentarily Co-Moving Inertial Frames Montage" (MCMIFM) says that       an observer is an inertial observer if he isn't CURRENTLY accelerating,       even if he has accelerated infinitesimally-recently in the past, or will       accelerate infinitesimally-soon in the future ... i.e., he can use the       time dilatation result throughout any period of time in which he is not       accelerating.              What say you?              [[Mod. note -- It would be useful if you were to provide references       for the statements you attribute to Dolby and Gull, and to Minguzzi.       Expecting readers to guess which of the possibly many works these       authors have written is the one you're referring to, wastes everyone's       time (and leads to further confusion if readers guess incorrectly).       -- jt]]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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