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|    Tom Roberts to PengKuan Em    |
|    Re: Testing relativity of simultaneity u    |
|    06 Nov 19 13:03:40    |
      From: tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net              On 11/6/19 2:08 AM, PengKuan Em wrote:       > The local frame at any point in general relativity is a locally inertial       > frame. In such frame, relativity of simultaneity applies, so the time of       > point 1 and 2 are different. Suppose they are t'1 and t'2 and       > dt'=t'2-t'1 in frame 1. then, in frame 2 next to frame 1, we have       > dt'=t'3-t'2. So, we have       > t'2=dt'+t'1 in frame 1. Suppose t'1=0. Then,t'2=dt'. Then, we have       successively,       > t'3=dt'+t'2=2*dt' in frame 2       > t'4=dt'+t'3=3*dt' in frame 3       > ...       > t'(n+1)=dt'+t'n=n*dt' in frame n       >       > So, the time of the satellite n+1 is n*dt' even in GR. But satellite n+1       > is satellite 1 and its time should be 0. Hence, even in GR, relativity       > of simultaneity leads to contradiction.              As I said before, each of those differences is in a DIFFERENT LOCALLY       INERTIAL FRAME. You cannot combine them like that.              You fooled yourself by erroneously using a single prime everywhere, when       in fact the differences are:        dt' = t'2-t'1        dt'' = t''3-t''2        dt''' = t'''4-t'''3        ... etc.        (the number of primes indicates which clock's instantaneously        co-moving inertial frame is used)       Attempting to add dt' to dt'' makes no sense as it involves frame       jumping. Ditto for each of the other pairs.              There is no contradiction, this is just the well-known Sagnac effect --       it directly implies that you cannot consistently synchronize clocks       around the circumference of a rotating system. Of course the GPS never       does that. Nor does anyone who understands SR.              Tom Roberts              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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