From: jos.bergervoet@xs4all.nl   
      
   On 20/01/01 6:49 PM, Majik Won wrote:   
   > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 5:04:03 AM UTC-5, Jos Bergervoet wrote:   
   >> But what question is there about them? Aren't they just derived   
   >> from the choice of field theory?   
   >>   
   >> I'd think that the path integral merely is a way to compute the   
   >> time evolution from a state [*] at t1, to a new state at t2. And   
   >> it does this by summing over all paths weighed by the complex   
   >> exponential of the action, which by itself is derived from the   
   >> Lagrangian density, which is fixed by our choice of field theory.   
   >>   
   >> So it adds nothing more than a mathematical tool, comparable to   
   >> doing a lattice calculation, which would also just have to stick   
   >> to whatever field theory we choose to describe the universe..   
   >> Jos   
   >   
   > But this all begs the question as to where the fields come from to   
   > begin with or why the Lagrangian or where the path integral comes   
   > from.   
      
   Exactly! None of the mathematical equation handling (yours included)   
   can answer that question. Of course the same holds for Newton's   
   classical point-particle world. Classical physics does not explain   
   why there should be point particles in the first place, or why there   
   should be forces between them.   
      
   >    I think my construction derives all these things. Accordingly,   
   > the quantum field arise directly from spacetime itself,   
      
   Why? You definitely do not prove that any 4-dimensional manifold   
   must inevitably have a set of quantum fields living inside it.   
      
   >    ... precisely   
   > because the points of spacetime coexist in conjunction, leading to   
   > implication between all points. And number of ways these implications   
   > can be combined and how the implication between implications, etc,   
   > can be combined is what forms the various kinds of particles of   
   > physics.   
      
   What does this mean? Points in a 4 dimensional space always   
   "coexist in conjunction" but how does this prove that quantum   
   fields are present?   
      
   >   I show this at:   
   > http://logictophysics.com/StandardModel.html   
      
   You go even further: there you write that even the number of particle   
   species, charge ratios and the presence of three particle generations   
   are proven by your theory. So then you not only claim to prove that   
   the standard model of physics must exist, but that it is the only   
   possible set of quantum fields that can exist.   
      
    From the mere fact that points in spacetime always coexist in   
   conjunction, you would be able to prove all this?!   
      
   [NB: I'm still trying to find out what exactly you are claiming, and   
   what are the postulates about spacetime that you use as a starting   
   point to get there! At the moment it seems you derive something from   
   nothing.]   
      
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   Jos   
      
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