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|    Rock Brentwood to Luigi Fortunati    |
|    Re: Acceleration compared to which refer    |
|    14 Aug 20 05:56:51    |
      From: rockbrentwood@gmail.com              On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 5:26:08 PM UTC-5, Luigi Fortunati wrote:       > Is it an acceleration with respect to anyone or with respect to a=20       > specific reference system?=20              Newton, in the background to the formulation of his laws, said that all mot=       ion was to be referred to a specific frame - putatively one in which the st=       ars are "fixed". The laws were formulated in such a way that they hold equa=       lly well when taken in reference to any other frame that is in uniform moti=       on with respect to this one ... so that one could not determine which was t=       he actual stationary one and which ones were moving.              Galileo (it is NOT well-known here) was Newton's great-grand-math-father in=        the Mathematicians' Genealogy. Galileo (eventually) held to the propositio=       n that each of these frames stands on equal ground. Newton rejected it by w=       ord, but implemented it by deed. In other words,. he tried to have it both =       ways, saying one thing and doing another. But it gets the job done: of dist=       inguishing a family of frames (out of all those that are possible) as the o=       nes that are inertial. They each move at a constant speed in a constant dir=       ection with respect to one another.              The closest modern equivalent of Newton's assertion (and one which revokes =       his doctrine of Unknowability on the matter of which frame is the Stationar=       y one) is the co-moving frame that is almost literally tied to "fixed stars=       " - namely the one given by the CMB: the one which makes it maximally isotr=       opic, minimizing all its Doppler shifts.              The reason Newton had to take this route (though not clearly stated or even=        understood by him) is Genidentity. Everything is formulated in the languag=       e of spatial geometry. The fundamental object of spatial geometry is the Po=       int. A Point defines a location. The concept, however, has no meaning unles=       s and until you can say what's to count as the "same" location at two diffe=       rent times. Is New York in 2001 the "same place" as New York in 2020? Or is=        that "location" somewhere else on the Earth at the same latitude (because =       the Earth rotates) or different latitude (because the rotation wobbles) or =       different altitude (because the crust fluctuates) or different part of the =       Earth's orbit (because the Earth goes around the sun) or different part of =       the galaxy (because the solar system orbits the galaxy) or out in intergala=       ctic space (because the galaxies move mostly away from each other)? What co=       unts as the "same place" at a different time? That's the property of Genide=       ntity. And, as you can see, Genidentity is just a back-door way of saying w=       hat is Stationary and what is not.              Without this, you have no Genidentity. Without Genidentity, you have no con=       cept of a Location that endures in time or of a Point. Without Point, you h=       ave no foundation for Spatial Geometry. Newton's treatise is cast in the la=       nguage of spatial geometry, so he needs Point, Location, Genidentity and St=       ationarity. Therefore, he had no choice but to refute Galileo's principle, =       even if he still tried to have it through the back door by making his laws =       invariant under Galilean boosts.              To fully implement Galileo's principle requires delving deeper than the con=       cept of a Point, and deconstructing it into even more fundamental constitue=       nts - as a sequence of Point-Instants. The geometry required for this is no=       t a geometry at all, but a chrono-geometry: one whose fundamental objects a=       re point-instants. That is made necessary by Galileo's principle of Relativ=       ity - or by any other principle of Relativity that supersedes it.              So, it is also the case that the true origin of chrono-geometry (that is: t=       he concept of spacetime) lies rooted in Galileo but that it just happens to=        also be the case that neither he nor anyone else realized this or that thi=       s had to be so until after Relativity was changed from Galilean to Lorentzi=       an. In other words, Minkowski didn't marry space and time, nor did Einstein=        or Poincare'. They merely ordained the eloping of the two, which took plac=       e nearly 300 years before that.              A chain of Point-instants can be any one-dimensional subspace of this chron=       o-geometry. Those are worldlines. Of all the possible ones, a distinguished=        subset of them have the property of possessing zero acceleration at each p=       oint-instant - one for each direction in space at each speed. So, ultimatel=       y, the answer to the question is that an additional structure is imposed on=        the chrono-geometry which singles out which of the worldlines are inertial=       such that at each point-instant, in each direction at each speed, passe=       s through exactly one such worldline. This structure is embodied by what we=        now call an affine connection.              In Newtonian Physics, all such worldlines represent either motions that are=        at a constant speed and direction relative to one another, or an instantan=       eous line of points in a snapshot of 3D space at a specific time (a spatial=        geodesic). In the relativistic world, in place of the spatial geodesics ar=       e the light-like and space-like geodesics.              Accelerations are taken relative to geodesics. So, for a given motion passi=       ng a given point-instant in a given direction and speed, you compare it to =       the geodesic possessing those same attributes.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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