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|    mark horn to mark horn    |
|    Re: relativistic gamma factor maximum    |
|    21 Jun 21 14:32:02    |
      From: toadastronomer@gmail.com              On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:01:07 AM UTC-4, mark horn wrote:       > 20-JUN-2021       > hello -       >       > I find a maximum value for the Lorentz gamma factor,       > gamma = ((1-((v)^2/c^2))^(1/2))^-1 = 54794158.005943767726,       > for a relative velocity v = 299792457.99999997 m/s.       > For an electron with mass m_e = 510998.91 ev/c^2 and momentum p_e=m_ev       > the max velocity is v_e = p_e/m_e = 299792457.9999999404 m/s.       > Plugging v_e into the gamma equation yields the same gamma max.       > Computing a higher velocity past the eighth decimal place does       > not change the gamma value either; until it blows up as gamma = inf.       >       > Is there a good turn of phrase to explain this limit?       >       > Cheers,       > mj horn       >       > [[Mod. note -- I think "floating-point rounding errors" is the phrase       > you're looking for. If v/c is very close to 1, then the formula for       > gamma tends to be very sensitive to rounding errors, causing the sorts       > of anomolous behavior you noticed.       >       > The computation can be reorganized to be less sensitive to rounding       > errors, but the easy solution is to just use brute force, i.e., use       > higher precision in the computation. For example, software systems       > such as Sage, Maple, and Mathematica can all easily do computations       > in higher precision than standard C "double" (which typically gives       > about 16-digit accuracy). For example, in Sage:       >       > sage: gamma(v_over_c) = 1/sqrt(1 - v_over_c^2)       > sage: gamma(1 - 1/(10**20))       > 100000000000000000000/199999999999999999999*sqrt(199999999999999999999)       > sage: n(gamma(1 - 1/(10**20)), digits=50)       > 7.0710678118654752440261212905781540809584467771981e9       > sage:       >       > As to what relevance this has for *physics*: the current record for the       > highest-energy cosmic ray has a gamma factor of over 10**20, corresponding       > to v/c of over 1 - 10**-40.       > -- jt]]              21-JUN-2021              Thanks so much.       I'll chalk up another one to the unreasonable effectiveness       of my ignorance to lead me astray.              thanks again, m              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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