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|    Mike Fontenot to Tom Roberts    |
|    Re: The braking of the traveler twin    |
|    18 Apr 22 14:17:57    |
      From: mlfasf@comcast.net              On 4/18/22 9:46 AM, Tom Roberts wrote:       > Your argument is invalid because       > the physical situations aren't actually equivalent -- the region       > involved is too large for the Principle of Equivalence to apply              The equivalence principle has no restrictions on the size of the region       in which it is valid.              [[Mod. note -- The EP applies if and only if we neglect tidal effects,       i.e., if tidal effects are "small". But the size of tidal effects grows       with the distance, so saying that tidal effects should be "small" (so       that we can apply the EP) is essentially saying that the size of our       region should be "small". So, effectively, the EP only applies in "small"       regions, where the precise definition of "small" depends on the curvature       of spacetime and your accuracy threshold for how small tidal effects need       to be before it's ok to neglect them.              For example, suppose we're considering some experiment near the Earth's       surface, where we're measuring accelerations on the order of 1g. We might       reasonably say that for this experiment, we're willing to apply the EP       (i.e., neglect tidal effects) if the tidal accelerations are below 1e-6 g       in magnitude, i.e., if the tidal accelerations are < 1 part-per-million       of the Earth's Newtonian "little g". To satisfy that condition requires       that our experimental region be (roughly) < 3 meters in diameter. That       is, the tidal change in the Earth's Newtonian "little g" over a vertical       distance of 3 meters is about 1 part-per-million. (In the horizontal       direction the change is probably a bit smaller.) If our experimental       region is larger than 3 meters in diameter, the tidal change in "little g"       from one part of our apparatus to another part may be > 1 part-per-million,       so we can't safely apply the EP across at our 1 part-per-million accuracy       threshold.       -- jt]]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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