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|    Stefan Ram to All    |
|    What is a force?    |
|    25 Apr 22 00:49:45    |
      From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de              In "Gravitation" by Misner et. al., in chapter 1, it says in box 1.6,              |[O]ne can "look at the separations between these nearby [two]       |test particles and from the second time-rate of change of       |these separations and the 'equation of geodesic deviation'       |(equation 1.8) read out the curvature of spacetime."               . To me, a "force" is something that is causing an acceleration        (thinking of "F = ma"). So, I'd be inclined to say that the        curvature of spacetime is a /force/ that is accelerating the        two test particles relatively to each other.               If someone thinks that this curvature is /not/ a force, maybe        he could explain why the curvature of spacetime should not        be called a "force" although it causes an acceleration?               And while I'm at it: Wikipedia says: "Most fermions decay by        a weak interaction over time.". This weak interaction also        is called "weak force"; so, this weak force does not seems        to cause accelerations, but decays. Why is it still called a        "force"?               What is a force?              [[Mod. note -- Applying the same force to different-mass test bodies       results in different accelerations, as per Newton's 2nd law $a = F/m$.       But spacetime curvature induces the *same* relative accelerations       between different-mass test bodies. So to call spacetime curvature       a "force" you have to posit that's really a       "force-proportional-to-inertial-mass", which is a funny sort of beast.       It seems cleaner to just call it "spacetime curvature".              As to the weak interaction, I think particle physicists usually call       it the "weak interaction". Calling it a "force" is colloquial usage.              As to your general question... there's a rather extensive discussion       of "what is a force" and the operational definition of same, in the       context of teaching introductory physics courses, in the excellent       book        Arnold B Arons        "A Guide to Introductory Physics Teaching"        Wiley, 1990, ISBN-10 0-471-51341-5       -- jt]]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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