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|    Julio Di Egidio to Luigi Fortunati    |
|    Re: Inertial frame    |
|    08 May 22 14:21:21    |
      From: julio@diegidio.name              On Sunday, 8 May 2022 at 09:41:41 UTC+2, Luigi Fortunati wrote:       > Julio Di Egidio sabato 07/05/2022 alle ore 15:00:52 ha scritto:       > >>> A free-falling brick is an inertial frame?       > >       > > A free-falling brick is *in* "an" inertial frame. Which more precisely       > > means that we can find an inertial frame in which the brick is in       > > uniform motion, then just a special case is an inertial frame in       > > which the brick is at rest, and and even more special case is the       > > frame in which the brick is at rest at the origin of space. And we       > > might call that last one "the brick's own frame", because there is       > > indeed something "privileged" about it as far as that brick is       > > concerned: OTOH, though, notice that the fact that the brick is in       > > *free-fall* requires no frame to state or verify at all, it's altogether       > > a *true* physical property that can be verified *locally*.       >       > How small must this be "locally"?       > As small as a brick? A half brick? A tenth of a brick?              [Apologies for my first reply, not very constructive: please disregard,       I am trying an actual answer.]              It's literally the *point*, which is an ideal condition of course, but one       of those that can be approximated arbitrarily well: keeping in mind       that this is classical physics, not quantum, so we don't need further       cautions.              In practice, it's just a little bit more articulated than that, it goes this       way: *you* start moving until your motion is in sync with that of the       brick, which you can check by having a rigid rod guarantee that your       distance and orientation relative to the brick does not change (and       then would you ask why and how that works?), then, by *transitivity*       of the condition of being inertial, you just check that *you* are       inertial: and that is as local as it needs be, modulo approximations       that are simply structural to doing experiments.              And I am sure most here could rephrase that in better terms, but I'd       rather invite you to take a step back and this point and reconsider       how the very progression goes: what it even means for a property       to be a *true physical property* vs e.g. an artefact of the coordinate       system.              Julio              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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