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|    Tom Roberts to Bruchpilot Aki    |
|    Re: Photons and the cosmic redshift    |
|    19 Sep 22 22:26:12    |
      From: tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net              On 9/14/22 1:19 AM, Bruchpilot Aki wrote:       > Into which form of energy is the energy actually converted, which       > photons lose through the cosmic redshift?              Nothing "happens" to the energy of the EM radiation known as the CMBR,       because energy is not a "thing", it is a quantity used for bookkeeping.              A) Remember that the energy of a given object depends on the coordinates       used to measure it.       B) Remember also that Noether's theorem relates conservation of energy       to time-translation invariance, which in GR requires that a timelike       Killing vector is present              If there is no such invariance (no timelike Killing vector) one should       not expect energy to be conserved, and in the FLRW manifolds used to       model cosmology there is neither such a Killing vector nor conservation       of energy. [#]               [#] In a "small" local 4-volume in which the metric can be        considered to be constant within measurement resolutions,        one can construct locally-inertial coordinates in which        the time coordinate is indistinguishable from a timelike        Killing vector. So in this region, using such coordinates,        energy is conserved to within measurement resolutions.        This applies to every classical experiment that was used        to establish conservation of energy. And it most definitely        does not apply to the CMBR between emission and now.        Similarly for conservation of momentum and angular momentum.        (I have omitted some details and caveats for clarity.)              IOW: To calculate the energy of the CMBR when it was emitted requires       one to use locally-inertial coordinates at rest relative to the emitting       particles, and the dot product used to calculate it involves the metric       at that place and time. To calculate the energy of that same radiation       now requires one to use locally-inertial coordinates at rest relative to       the earth, and the dot product involves the metric here and now. Both       the coordinates and metric involved are different, which explains why       different values are calculated.              Tom Roberts              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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