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|    Re: Newton's bucket    |
|    22 Sep 22 08:18:17    |
      From: manfred.geilhaupt@fh-niederrhein.de              Hi together              "So, how is the centrifugal acceleration of water justified EVEN in the       inertial reference where the centrifugal force is not there? "              Simple (first, from the beginning) Question might have no answer.              I thought about it too. (Who not!)       So I had a private answer at least by the aid of Einstein I hope.              1. In reality no (100%) inertial frame of reference does exist.       But this does not answer the question. But helps to understand Mach?              2. If you are a part of Newtons rotating bucket, let us say a water       molecule! You (molecule) do not know: Is there a new gravitational       force acting or are all molecules simply rotating (accelerating by       Newton himself).              3. If you are an observer outside the rotating bucket, standing still on       earth (which does not stand still). You know there is not a new G-Force       acting on molecules, there is a centrifugal force only, which is not       affecting on you like a G-Force could or would but there is acceleration       on the molecules simple to see for you but not for       molecules. Unfortunately you can not tell them what happens. So they       have two unique explanations. One is wrong. They never can find out. Man       can. (Woman of course too)              Best wishes       M.              By the way. Newtons definition of force from the Momentum Equation adopted       F=dP/dt=f1+f2+f3+f4+f5       leads to 5 force contributions from pure math applied. (We do not find all in       textbooks!)              Now the "physics(nature)" must give them reality (by inventing,       Einsteins wording, f1 up to f5) which nature might follow or not tells       us the experiment. f3 is Coriolis and f5 I don't know. f2 is       Mass*Acceleration. We do not have it in textbooks. But every student can       find f1 to f5 by simple product rule applied! If you like see "mano4848       Sommerfeld Fine Structure Constant" (private investigation on YouTube)       https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=manfred+sommerfeld+FSK              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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