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   Richard Livingston to Robert Komar   
   Re: Two bodies in remote space   
   03 Oct 22 21:20:04   
   
   From: richalivingston@gmail.com   
      
   On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-5, Robert Komar wrote:   
   > Tom Roberts  wrote:   
   > >   
   > > In GR, proper acceleration is physical, while coordinate acceleration   
   > > can be merely an artifact of the coordinates used (as happens here for   
   > > Luigi's choice [#]). Gravitation never generates proper acceleration,   
   > > but real forces, such as EM, always do.   
   > As someone who has never studied GR, this is an eye-opener for me.   
   > If gravity is not a real force, is there a need for gravitons? Perhaps   
   > trying to unify gravity with the other three forces in a grand unified   
   > theory is a misguided adventure? I'm asking as someone who is   
   > largely ignorant in these fields.   
      
   [Moderator's note:  Pun intended?  --P.H.]   
      
   > Cheers,   
   > Rob Komar   
      
   I've wondered the same question.  While I have studied GR, I am far from   
   an expert, so my opinion is probably of little value.  But I've also   
   wondered if gravity should be quantized like the other "forces".   
      
   On the one hand, the current theory of gravity provides the space- time   
   geometry within which QM operates.  Can you have a quantum theory that   
   operates within a quantum space-time?  I really don't know.   
      
   On the other hand, gravity does transfer energy from place to place, and   
   that is clearly  within the purview of quantum mechanics.   
      
   One thing that I have studied extensively is how well special relativity   
   and quantum mechanics actually play together and reinforce each other.   
   There is no conflict between special relativity and QM.  It is really   
   quantum field theory that has a problem with GR.   
      
   Again, while I have studied quantum field theory, I am again far from an   
   expert.  But there are several aspects of the current theory that I am   
   suspicious of and wonder if the problems quantizing gravity actually   
   have to do with mistaken concepts in field theory?  Again, my opinion on   
   this is probably of little value.   
      
   Rich L.   
      
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