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|    John L. to All    |
|    How do things get into black holes?    |
|    12 Feb 23 14:06:26    |
      From: geemail1801@gmail.com              According to some sources an object traveling toward a black hole seems       to go slower and slower as it approaches. And that eventually it appears       to stop at the event horizon. Perhaps my understanding of this is wrong.       But if that's what happens, how does anything get into a black hole? They       increase in mass over time, yes?              [[Mod. note --       Let's start with the simplest case: a non-rotating (Schwarzschild) black       hole (BH), and an object falling radially inwards towards the BH (so that       the object has no angular momentum about the BH). And let's equip the       falling object with a light/radio transmitter so observers can monitor       its position.              Based on the light/radio signals, a distant observer will "see" the       object's infall appear to slow down and eventually "freeze" just outside       the BH's horizon. The light/radio signals will also get more and more       redshifted.              But this "freezing" is an optical/radio illusion: the object actually       continues to accelerate inwards, and falls in through the BH's horizon       in a finite time. The "freezing" is caused by the large gravitational       redshift of light/radio signals emitted by the object just outside the       horizon, taking a very long time to propagate outward to the distant       observer. (More precisely, that propagation time approaches infinity       as the emission point gets closer and closer to the horizon.)              That is, if we imagine the infalling object emitting period light/radio       flashes, as the infalling object gets close to the horizon the flashes       take longer and longer to propagate out to a distant observer, and are       more and more redshifted in the process. Once the object passes through       the horizon, its light/radio signals don't get out to the distant observer;       the distant observer sees only those signals emitted before the object's       horizon crossing.                     For the more general case where the BH is spinning, everything above is       still true, but the mathematics is more complicated (the infalling object's       path won't stay radial unless it's falling in along the BH spin axis).       If the infalling object has angular momentum about the BH, then (depending       on the details) it may orbit the BH and not actually fall in.              There's a nice discussion of falling-into-a-BH in the physics FAQ at        https://apod.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/bh_pub_faq.html#forever       -- jt]]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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