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|    Tom Roberts to Richard Livingston    |
|    Re: Planetary Aberration    |
|    18 May 23 13:20:49    |
      From: tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net              On 5/16/23 2:24 AM, Richard Livingston wrote:       > Recently I've been thinking about planetary aberration. This is the       > effect where the finite speed of light causes an orbiting body to see       > the opposite body on its past light cone, and thus displaced from its       > "now" position directly opposite the center of gravity. The problem       > is that if the body it attracted directly towards this displaced       > position, there is a torque on the system that would cause it to       > speed up.       >       > This clearly does not happen. [...] My question for this group is why       > not?              In Newtonian mechanics, the gravitational interaction between sun and       earth is instantaneous action at a distance, so the force on the earth       always points directly to where the sun is now, at each point around the       orbit.              In GR this is different, as there is no instantaneous action at a distance:              In the full theory, treating the earth as a massless "particle" with       negligible effect on the geometry [#], the earth follows a timelike       geodesic through spacetime, and that geodesic is completely independent       of where the earth is located. No force is involved, the earth just goes       as "straight as possible" through the geometry, which is an orbit around       the sun [@].               [#] This is an excellent approximation, as the earth        mass is just ~ 0.000003 of the sun's mass.               [@] Considered in approximately Minkowski coordinates        in which the sun is at rest, this path is an elongated        helix along the time axis, with radius ~ 8 light minutes        and period 1 light year -- just a few parts per million        different from the straight line of the sun.              In the PPN approximation to GR, one uses a Minkowski metric on spacetime       (i.e. flat, with clear simultaneity in the sun's rest frame). One can       identify a term in the equation as a force -- this force points not to       the current location of the earth, but rather to the 2nd-order       extrapolation of where the earth will be when the force (propagated at       c) reaches the earth. Remember than an ellipse is a 2nd-order curve, so       that extrapolation is extremely good, and the interaction differs by an       extremely small amount from the instantaneous interaction of Newtonian       mechanics -- the gravitational effects of other planets are enormously       larger.               [This is reminiscent of classical electrodynamics, in        which the Lienard-Wiechert potentials perform a        similar extrapolation to first order.]              Tom Roberts              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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