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   Message 17,262 of 17,516   
   Stefan Ram to Luigi Fortunati   
   Re: The Twins and the Earth's Rotation   
   17 Jul 23 11:59:00   
   
   From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de   
      
   Luigi Fortunati  writes:   
   >So let's make him come back at the same speed, so that it   
   >takes him another 48 hours to come back, while the Earth   
   >makes another rotation.   
   >In doing so, the traveler twin travels for 96 hours (48 to go   
   >and 48 to return) and ages 96 hours (4 days).   
   >But on Earth (which rotated only twice) the terrestrial twin   
   >aged only 2 days and, therefore, remained younger than his   
   >traveler brother!   
   >How is it possible?   
      
     There is an additional time of aging on Earth that you have not   
     taken into account.   
      
     For the sake of simplicity, I assume that the traveler reverses   
     his speed instantaneously during the turnaround.   
      
     The remaining twin ages during three intervals:   
      
     1. During the first phase of the journey, the remaining person   
        experiences points in time which the traveler moving away from   
        him perceives as simultaneous to himself (to the traveler).   
      
     2. Then, the remaining person experiences points in time that   
        the traveler never perceives as simultaneous with himself   
        (with the traveler), neither during the outward journey nor   
        during the return journey.   
      
     3. Finally, during the second and last part of the journey, the   
        remaining person experiences points in time which the traveler   
        moving towards him perceives as simultaneous with himself   
        (with the traveler).   
      
     During "1." and "3." the traveling twin ages 96 hours and the   
     remaining person ages only 48 hours, insofar you were right,   
     but during "2." the remaining person ages so much more that   
     at the reunion he is older than the traveler!   
      
     Here is a diagram (not true to the angle); it is intended to   
     be viewed with a monospaced font, but you may get the gist   
     of it with other fonts as well. (Moderation may omit it if   
     diagrams of this kind are not allowed in this newsgroup.)   
      
     The lines A, B, C, and D, E, F each consist of events which   
     are simultaneous for the traveling twin. One can see the   
     large interval "2." with events on Earth for which there   
     are no simultaneous events for the traveler.   
      
          Earth   
       time ^ t (Earth)   
            -   
            -   
            -   
          ..:. reunion   
        .-  =-,   
        |   - .-.   
        |   =.  ,-   
        |   =-.  .-,   
      3.|   =   ,. ,,   
        |   =.   F  ,-,   
        |   =-.     . ,=.   
        |   -   ,.     ,=-   
        |   =.     ..    ,-.   
        '-..:-.     ,.     ,-   
        .-  =   ,.     ,.   .-,   
        |   -      ..    E.,  ,-   
        |   -       ,.     .  ..-,   
        |   -          ,.     ,. ,-. inward journey   
        |   =             .,     .,-,   
        |   =              D ..     ,:.   
        |   -                 ,.     .=-   
        |   -                    ,,    .-,   
        |   -                       .,   ,-   
        | ..=                        .. .  -,   
        |                               .,  .-.   
        |   -                              .,.-,   
        |   -                                  -=.   
        |   -                                  ..--   
        |                                         ,=-   
      2.|   =                                     ,== point of reversal   
        |   -                                   .-=.   
        |   -                                  -=.   
        |   -                              .,.-,   
        |   =                           ..  .-.   
        | ..=                        . ..  -,   
        |   -                       .,   ,-.   
        |   -                    ,,    .-,   
        |   -                 ..     .--   
        |   =                C.     ,:,   
        |                 .,     .,-,   
        |   -          ,.     ,. ,-.   
        |   -       .  .   . . .-, outward journey   
        |   -      ..     .,  ,-.   
        '-  =   ,.     ,.B  .-,   
        .-..:,.     ,.     ,-   
        |   =.     ..    .-.   
        |   -   ,.     ,=,   
        |   =-.     . ,=.   
        |   =.      ,-,   
      1.|   =   ,. ,-.   
        |   -,.A .-,   
        |   =,  ,-   
        |   - .-.   
        |   =-- Start                                             location   
        '-  ,-..,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.,.>   
                                                                  x (Earth)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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