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|    Richard Livingston to Luigi Fortunati    |
|    Re: Synchronization    |
|    26 Aug 23 11:39:13    |
      From: richalivingston@gmail.com              On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:41:27=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5, Luigi Fortunati wrote:       ...       > The graduated belt of my animation is directly *bound* to the Earth and       > its rotation.       >       > This makes its measurement (direct and immediate) more reliable than       > the measurement at distance with light.              I'll try one last time to make this point. The time "now" for events outside       the light cone, e.g. events that are spatially separated, are not uniquely       defined for different observers.              I must ask what meaning you attach to a time "now" back on earth? It       is not the time you can see, via light, from earth. In fact there is nothing       you can do to interact with earth "now" in any way. The only way to       know what is happening "now" is to wait for that event to enter your       past light cone, at which time you can see it. At that later time you can       know what happened back when you identified a time as "now".              If you want to define some time as "now" by some mechanism like you       describe, that is OK. But the conventional way to define "now" is to       synchronize clocks as described in most any book on special relativity.       That process allows you to define a "now" that conforms with what       we all normally think of as "now". It gives a different result for different       inertial observers, but it gives a result that each observer can make       sense of as "now". That is, if they do some experiment such as send       a time message via light, the result is consistent with special relativity.              There is another factor that you are not taking into account: The       Lorentz contraction of each side of the belt will be different for       moving observers. This may seem as it should be negligible for       such a slow moving belt, but note that magnetic fields are the result       of just such a difference in Lorentz contraction even though the       electrons in a wire are moving at less than 1 mm/second. In the        case of your belt model, a rapidly moving observer will see that       one side of the belt has shrunk compared to the other, and thus       the earth is rotated relative to what the "stationary" observer       calculates.              Rich L.              [[Mod. note -- That's a very clear (and completely correct) exposition.       Thank you!       -- jt]]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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