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|    Luigi Fortunati to All    |
|    Re: Gravity and curvature    |
|    18 Dec 23 08:30:20    |
      From: fortunati.luigi@gmail.com              Luigi Fortunati il 17/12/2023 09:29:50 ha scritto:       > Gravity is a force and, therefore, is a vector.       >       > Is spacetime curvature a vector? Does it have a direction and a verse?       >       > Luigi Fortunati       >       > [[Mod. note --       > In order to answer questions like this, we need to be precise in       > our terms. You write that "Gravity is a force". But what do you mean       > by "gravity"?              By gravity I mean the Newtonian force F directly proportional to the product       of the masses m1 and m2 and inversely proportional to the square of their       distance.              > Starting with Newtonian mechanics for simplicity,       > "gravity" could plausibly mean any of several things:       > * gravitational potential energy (which is a scalar in Newtonian mechanics).       > * the Newtonian "little g" (which is a 3-vector at any given position       > and time       > * the *difference* in the Newtonian "little g" between nearby objects       > at a given time; this difference is what you can measure about the       > gravitational field if you're in a freely falling elevator. This       > difference is a 3-vector which depends on the separation between the       > nearby objects,       > difference = M * separation       > where M is a 3x3 matrix and "*" denotes matrix multiplication. This       > 3x3 matrix M (which is really a rank 2 tensor) provides a complete       > description of the local gravitational field at a given position and       > time.              Does all this exclude that, in classical mechanics, gravity is a fundamental       force and, therefore, is necessarily a vector?              > In general relativity (GR) things are (not surprisingly) more complicated.       > To fully describe spacetime curvature at an event (a point in space, at       > a particular time) requires generalizing the 3x3 matrix (rank 2 tensor) M       > to the Riemann curvature tensor, which is a 4x4x4x4 4-dimensional matrix       > (really a rank 4 tensor), i.e., it's a set of 4x4x4x4 = 256 numbers.       > The Riemann curvature tensor has a bunch of symmetries, so it actually       > has only 20 independent components.       >       > So in GR, the best answer to your question is that spacetime curvature "is"       > the Riemann curvature tensor. This doesn't have a single "direction" any       > more than the 3x3 matrix M has a "direction" in Newtonian mechanics.              In the Wikipedia entry "Spacetime" there is the figure of the space-time sheet       that curves *downward* when we place a mass on it.              If there are many directions in the GR, why does the elastic sheet sink       *always and only* downwards, i.e. towards a single direction?              Luigi Fortunati              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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