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|    Robert Winn to All    |
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|    12 Feb 24 22:55:16    |
      From: rbwinn3@gmail.com              [[Mod. note -- Please limit your text to fit within 80 columns,       preferably around 70, so that readers don't have to scroll horizontally       to read each line. I have manually reformatted this article. -- jt]]              When Galileo and Isaac Newton talked about time, they were referencing       the rotation of the earth. Modern scientists are talking about       transitions of a cesium isotope atom. I am going back to the concept       of time these earlier scientists used because , if we take the       example of a clock in a flying airplane, modern scientists say that       clock will disagree with a clock on the ground. If the clock on       the ground agrees with the rotation of the earth, then, obviously,       the clock in the airplane does not. But its time can still be       expressed with the Galilean transformation equations used by Galileo       and Newton.        x'=x-vt        y'=y        z'=z        t'=t       The last equation persuaded scientists to switch over to the Lorentz       equations because if t'=t, then x=ct and x'=ct' cannot both be true,       which they are in the Lorentz equations. The results of the       Michelson-Morely experiment can still be shown by Galilean equations.       There have always been faster and slower clocks. Scientists like       Galileo and Newton understood this. How do you show the time of a       faster or slower clock with the Galilean equations? You use another       set of Galilean equations with different variables of velocity and       time. So the inverse equations to the above equations would be,       if describing time shown by a slower clock in an airplane        x = x' - (-vt/n')n'        y = y'        z = z'        n = n'       n' is the time of the slower clock in the airplane. (-vt/n') is the       velocity of the ground relative to the airplane according to the time       of the clock in the airplane. n = n' shows that the time of the       clock in the airplane is being used in both frames of reference.       So then to show that the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second       in both frames of reference, as scientists said the results of the       Michelson-Morley experiment required, all you do is say x=ct and x'=cn'.        x'=x-vt        cn'=ct-vt        n' = t-vt/c       This value for the time of the slower clock is the same as the       numerator of Lorentz's equation for t'.        t-vt/c = t - vct/c^2 = t - vx/c^2       Having x in this expression is unnecessary in the Galilean equations       because there is no length contraction in those equations. The       spatial coordinates are the same as in the original set of equations.       The inverse equations also convert back to the original equations       if you cancel out the (n')'s.        x = x' - (-vt/n')n'        x = x' +vt        t = t'       If we apply these equations to the times of clocks on the planets       of the solar system, we can see an interesting relationship. Mercury       is the fastest moving planet, having a speed of 30 mi./sec in its       orbit. A clock on Mercury would be faster than a clock on earth       because earth is moving slower, 20 mi/sec. But the t from which       n' is derived to show the time of the clock on Mercury is not derived       from the time of a clock on earth. The time of the clock on earth       has an n' derived from the same t and is a faster clock than the       one on Mercury because earth is farther from the sun and is moving       slower. As we consider the outer planets each succeeding planet       has a slower speed of orbit and a faster clock. The time t in the       equation is the time of a clock, say halfway between the sun and       the nearest star, where the rate of a clock would be faster than       the rate of a clock on any planet. So the time of this interstellar       clock would be unaffected by gravitation and would not be moving       relative to the sun. The speed of Neptune in its orbit would be v       in the equation        x = x' - (-vt/n')n'       t would be the time of the interstellar clock, and n' would be the       time of the clock on Neptune. Then the time of a clock on each       planet could be obtained the same way until you come to Mercury,       which would have the slowest clock. Scientists of today calculate       all of this using the time of a clock on earth as the basis for       their calculations, which is much more difficult than this method.              [[Mod. note --              Scientists doing planetary ephemerises and celestial mechanics often       use the time of a clock at the solar system barycenter (= center of mass),       so as to avoid the complications of the Earth's changing speed and       changing distance from the Sun (and hence changing depth in the Sun's       gravitational potential).              In this context, let me (once again) put in a plug for a beautiful       paper        Carroll O. Alley,        "Proper Time Experiments in Gravitational Fields with Atomic Clocks,        Aircraft, and Laser Light Pulses",        pages 363-427 in        "Quantum Optics, Experimental Gravity, and Measurement Theory",        eds. Pierre Meystre and Marlan O. Scully,        Proceedings Conf. Bad Windsheim 1981,        1983 Plenum Press New York, ISBN 0-306-41354-X.       Alley's paper describes a set of experiments which directly compare       stationary and moving atomic clocks. In these experiments the moving       clock was in an airplane flown in a "racetrack" pattern over Chesapeake       Bay, illuminated by a ground-based pulsed laser so that the stationary       and moving clocks could be compared *in real time* while the airplane was       in flight. The results (particularly figures 44-47) clearly show both       special- and general-relativistic (gravitational) time effects.              Unfortunately I don't know of any open-access copy of Alley's paper       online, but I have a pdf of it and can send it to anyone who's       interested; email me privately at (remove -color)        |
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