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|    Hendrik van Hees to Luigi Fortunati    |
|    Re: Equivalence principle    |
|    13 Jun 24 10:38:48    |
      From: hees@itp.uni-frankfurt.de              The misconception is on your side, not Einstein's ;-).              An inertial frame of reference is operationally defined by Newton's Lex       II: A body moves uniformly (or stays at rest) if it does not interact       with anything.              The mathematical version of the equivalence principle in GR is that       spacetime is described by a torsion-free pseudo-Riemannian (Lorentzian)       manifold. An inertial frame can only be local, i.e., you can choose at       any given spacetime point a Galilean local reference frame. Physically       such a frame is realized by a point-like body in free fall, i.e., by a       body on which only gravitational forces are acting and (non-rotating,       i.e., Fermi-Walker transported) tetrads along its world line.              True gravitational fields always show up in terms of tidal forces, and       any extended test body is thus not force-free. To which extent you can       neglect these forces depends on the extension of this test body. It's       only "force-free" as long as its extensions is smaller than the       curvature radius of space time at the reference point of your       free-falling non-rotating reference frame.              On 13/06/2024 10:29, Luigi Fortunati wrote:       > Hendrik van Hees il 11/06/2024 10:46:14 ha scritto:       >>> The first is that the accelerometer measures accelerations (and instead       >>> it only measures forces) and the second is that free fall is an inertial       >>> reference system despite its very evident mutual acceleration towards       >>> the other body (also) in free fall.       >> I don't know, what's evident in your misconception. By definition bodies       >> which move without any interactions except the gravitational interaction       >> are by definition in free fall, and according to the equivalence       >> principle such bodies define a LOCAL (!!!!) inertial reference frame.       >       > The inertial reference frame is one where no forces act.       >       > In free fall, tidal forces act and, therefore, you and Einstein are       > wrong when you say that free fall is an inertial reference (whether       > local or non-local).       >       > Luigi Fortunati              --       Hendrik van Hees       Goethe University (Institute for Theoretical Physics)       D-60438 Frankfurt am Main       http://itp.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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