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|    Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color t to Luigi    |
|    Re: The Elevator in Free Fall (2/2)    |
|    21 Dec 24 08:27:44    |
      [continued from previous message]              FFLIRF is accelerating *down* at an acceleration of g with respect to the       surrounding-building IRF, the (stationary) surrounding building (and the       elevator, which is stationary with respect to the building) must be       accelerating *up* at an acceleration of g with respect to the FFLIRF.               [Aside: It's instructive to compare the previous paragraph        with what we'd think about a different physical system:        suppose that the building and elevator were in space far from        any other masses, and the building's foundation were replaced        by a huge rocket that's accelerating the whole building (and        the elevator suspended inside the building from cables which        haven't yet broken) upwards at an acceleration of g relative        to a Newtonian IRF.               Given our assumption of "in space far from any other masses",        a Newtonian IRF is a FFLIRF, and vice versa. So, this        "rocket-accelerated elevator in space" would have the same        upward acceleration with respect to a FFLIRF as our ordinary        elevator here on Earth (again, BEFORE the cable-break) in the        GR perspective.               This is an example of the "equivalence principle" (EP) which,        in its simplest form, says (roughly) that a uniform gravitational        field has the same local effects as a steady acceleration.        In Newtonian mechanics it's not apparent why the EP should        be true; GR sort of assumes the EP as a postulate. In fact,        assuming the EP can take you most of the way to deriving GR,        and this was roughly the route that Einstein took in originally        obtaining GR. (I'm glossing over lots of technical details here.)]                     To summarize, then, in GR *free-fall* plays a similar role to that which       *uniform motion* plays in Newtonian mechanics. Newton's 2nd law        a = F_net/m       is formally the same in GR and in Newtonian mechanics, but a and F_net       are interpreted somewhat differently:       * In Newtonian mechanics, "a" is interpreted as acceleration with respect        to (relative to) an IRF, and gravity is viewed as a force contributing        to F_net.       * In GR, "a" is interpreted as acceleration with respect to (relative to)        a FFLIRF, and gravity is *not* viewed as a force and does *not* contribute        to F_net. As I'll explain in a following article, gravity actually shows        up as spacetime curvature, evidenced by the relative acceleration of        FFLIRFs at different places (e.g., the relative acceleration of my        FFLIRF and the FFLIRF of someone 1000 km away).              --       -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" |
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