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|    Luigi Fortunati to All    |
|    Re: Acting forces (2/2)    |
|    29 Nov 25 00:08:10    |
      [continued from previous message]              > so that we have indeed recovered our earlier symmetric analysis.       >       >       >       > Finally, now we have all the right formulas worked out to answer       > Luigi's questions:       >       > Consider first the simplest case where the three masses are equal,       > m1 = m2 = m3       > Then (taking F1 = +100 and F2 = -50 as specified) (11) gives       > F3 = - ((m2+m3)/(m1+m2+m3)) F1 + (m1/(m1+m2+m3)) F2       > = - 2/3 F1 + 1/3 F2       > = -83.333       > (19) gives       > F4 = (m3/(m1+m2+m3)) F1 - (m1+m2)/(m1+m2+m3) F2       > = (1/3) F1 - (2/3) F2       > = +66.667       >       > Notice that there are net forces acting on each body:       > F_net_on_m1 = F1+F3       > = 100-83.333       > = +16.667,       > F_net_on_m2 = -F3 - F4       > = -(-83.333) - (+66.667) = 83.333 - 66.667       > = +16.667,       > F_net_on_m3 = F2+F4       > = -50+66.667       > = +16.667,       > These forces are all is nonzero, which is as it should (must!) be       > because the whole system is accelerating. In fact, because we're taking       > m1 = m2 = m3 and and all three masses have the same common acceleration,       > it must be the case that F_net_on_m1 = F_net_on_m2 = F_net_on_m3.              Aside from the one doubt expressed above, everything else is perfect.       I updated the animation with your values of F3=-83.33 and F4=+66.67,       instead of F3=-??? and F4=+???.              I also added body X, which is the one exerting the continuous thrust       F1=+100 on point A of body A.              Obviously, body X also receives the external reaction from body A.              Is this latter reaction (which arrives at point X of body X and not at       point A of body A) worth -100 or -83.33?              Luigi Fortunati              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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