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   From: dawgface@ten.hut   
      
   "Jim Manson"  wrote in message   
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   > "Frank"  wrote:   
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   >>"Jim Manson"  wrote in message   
   >>news:veckg4ptr3nerefi3bph4ceprcc4krag1t@4ax.com...   
   >>> "Frank"  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You cannot make slaves out of rich people, they simply will not   
   >>>>stand   
   >>>>for it.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Really?   
   >>>   
   >>> I guess I missed the part about the mass exodus of rich people when   
   >>> the highest marginal tax rate was 91% from 1951 to 1963.   
   >>>   
   >>> I guess even more left when it only dropped to 70% from 1964 to 1981   
   >>> (   
   >>> +_1% or so).   
   >>>   
   >>> I'm surprised there were even any left under Reagan when the rate   
   >>> was   
   >>> 50% through 1986.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yep, a new rate of 39% for income over $250,000 is simply   
   >>> confiscation   
   >>> all right.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> You are making the usual bad assumption that since someone is not   
   >>> paying income tax that they are not paying any taxes. Lower income   
   >>> people pay proportionally more as a percent of income in sales tax,   
   >>> property taxes, excise taxes, etc. than "rich" people do including   
   >>> their income taxes.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>Yep, guessed you missed it, all of it. The people simply moved their   
   >>money off shore, they were not slaves to the poor. When our rates   
   >>dropped why do you think people from other countries came in here and   
   >>invested here, because they wanted to pay high taxes?   
   >   
   >   
   > You're the one that missed it. Some of those higher marginal rates   
   > coincided with some of the largest economic expansions in history.   
   > It went crazy in the 60s then tanked in the 70s. If you want to really   
   > learn about the subject you'll find that economic expansions are   
   > pretty much independent of tax rates.   
   >   
      
   Nope, I didn't miss it. When a rate drops from 90 to 60 then it frees up   
   a whole lot of money to be reinvested. People take advantage of an   
   opportunity, they don't sit there and whine about why it didn't drop to   
   40 and do nothing with their money. Economic expansions do best when   
   rates are reduced, Kennedy showed that and so did Reagan, and others to   
   a lessor extent.   
      
   Some things are creators of mini-booms like a hot new product that   
   everyone just has to have, but booms are not "pretty much independant"   
   as you would have it. This is also born out that when taxes are raised   
   during a recession it can easily turn it into a depression, verified in   
   action in Calif.   
      
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   >>You are blinded, the point is he wants to take your money, he wants to   
   >>take from anyone they call rich and currently the bar has been dropped   
   >>to 150K, you blindly miss the part that he is an avowed   
   >>socialist/marxist. You missed the part that it is what motivates him.   
   >   
   > $250K for a couple and he has never claimed to be a Marxist or   
   > Socialist. As a matter of fact the current Socialist candidate says   
   > that Obama isn't even close.   
   >   
      
   And you believe that? LOL, one can always find someone to point to that   
   is more radical, but it doesn't take away from the fact that someone is   
   a marxist. To try something on the opposite side of the picture for you   
   to clarify things. When the democrats get riled up they call someone a   
   rabid right winger, whether it be Reagan of Bush (sr) they see little   
   difference between Palin and McCain, but you would have it differently?   
      
      
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   >>As to your comments about the taxes dropping, when they did the   
   >>economy   
   >>went up, money flowed in from all over the world.   
   >   
   > Really? I didn't know the 1950s and early 60s were economic bust   
   > times.   
   >   
   > I guess I should have spent more time class.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>You also missed the part where I stated that if he simply took all the   
   >>wealth from the "rich" it would not support the country for even a   
   >>year,   
   >>9 months at best.   
   >>   
   >   
   > That's a meaningless statistic. Kind of like saying that we shouldn't   
   > bother to have dairy cows since if we took all the milk at once it   
   > would only last a few days.   
   >   
   > ( I love the cow analogy, even if I'm one of the cows... :-))   
   >   
      
   So you agree with bleeding/milking the wealthy? Do you also believe they   
   are that dumb?   
      
   >>I hope you enjoy paying taxes, I hope you love paying higher prices   
   >>for   
   >>goods and food because they overtaxed corporations, I hope you enjoy   
   >>it   
   >>when the poor and the wealthy subsidize electric cars in Calif and   
   >>that   
   >>the poor cannot buy them even with assistance.   
   >   
   > I'll probably end up paying more. I honestly don't mind.   
   >   
      
   I do not believe you for one moment. There has been a tax fund set up   
   for years so that people like you can pay extra taxes to help out. How   
   much have you given above and beyond?   
      
   I also hope you make enough so that I can send you the increase of which   
   they wish to charge me. I do not wish to through more money down the   
   sewer called federal programs.   
      
   > As Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. said " Taxes are what we pay for   
   > civilized society."   
   >   
      
   That is a dumb statement, it is also not what the country was founded   
   on, in fact quite to the contrary.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>I hope you enjoy the fact that your heirs will never have it as good   
   >>as   
   >>you did.   
   >   
   > I can't say that I believe that. Every generation has it's doomsayers   
   > but things never seem to get that bad. Every generation has to find   
   > it's own way.   
   >   
      
   BS, you are like a frog living in hot water, your heirs will be living   
   in boiling water for a very short while. Right now you cannot say what   
   you will without the PC crowd beating on you, unless you have already   
   learned to be subserviant. You don't have the freedom to travel around   
   the country as you once did for some of the lands are restricted, you   
   cannot even drive around in some public parks liesurely enjoying them at   
   your own pace. For now you are treated like cattle, moved en masse and   
   herded on. I could go on and on but I dare say you've been brainwashed   
   for the "greater good."   
      
      
   > You display an incredible amount of anger towards straw men of your   
   > own devising. I wonder what your real agenda is.   
   >   
      
   Typical, read things in that don't belong, make poor attempts at   
   defusing the learning of truth by belittling it by calling it a straw   
   dog. I for one never called Obama a dog, nor related him to a dog, but   
   you have. Latent hatred? Racism?   
      
   We cannot afford Obama, he is worse that Carter and that cost the   
   country a bunch.   
      
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