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From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
sarge wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> sarge wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> sarge wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> It aint just propaganda, there is bugger all rigorous
>>>>>> scientific evicence that they actually work at all.
>>>>>> There is plenty of evidence that medication does work for loonys
>>>>>> tho, and has allowed us to close many locked wards now.
>>>>> The verb 'work' is the key one.
>>>> Nope.
>>> I was already aware you would disagree.
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
> If you are going to quip rather than make an argument,
> at least try to make the quip fit the context.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
> Here you seem to be referring to yourself as 'it'.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, you pathetic excuse for a lying
bullshit artist.
>>>>> The drugs replace locked doors and restricted freedom,
>>>>> but locking other doors and restricting other freedom.
>>>> Mindlessly silly for those who find they can operate very well when
>>>> taking the meds when they need them and cant when they dont.
>>>>>>> against feelings, against people who have feelings.
>>>>>> Waffle.
>>>>> Pancake.
>>>> Typical.
>>> It seems to me you do not make arguments, you make comments. Score points.
>> You're lying now.
> Really.
Yep.
> See your response above with the paper bag.
It wasnt the only thing in the post, fuckwit.
> There is some problem with short term to long term memory transfer here.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>> we have reached a point where most of us could walk into
>>> a psychiatrists office and come out with a prescription.
>> Irrelevant to the completely stupid claim that there are no
>> real mental problems, its all been invented by the industry.
> Obviously relevent.
You're lying, again.
> If two people are having an argument and cannot
> admit to shades of grey, pointing out what is easy to
> acknowledge as a significant grey is absolutely relevent.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>> Instead of dealing with widespread patterns of stress and dissatisfaction
>> And just how do you propose to 'deal with' those ?
> We can get to that issue once we deal with the first one.
You cant ever 'deal with' the first, fool.
> If there is a parasitical and manipulative industry approach,
> this is important regardless of whether I have a solution.
Easy to claim thats what medication is about. Have fun actually substantiating
that claim.
> To now follow you off on that tangent is to distract from the first issue.
an old ploy.
Lying, as always.
> The only time it makes sense to take this step, giving the positions of
> the people here, is if there is some agreement about the first issue.
Wrong, as always.
If you have nothing to offer on how to deal with what are undoubted
problems, you're the last one that is in any position to be decrying
what the industry is doing to attempt to deal with mental problems.
>>> we medicate each other and ourselves.
>> Some do, hordes dont.
>> Hordes use booze etc to deal with their problems.
> Yes, they do. I am not sure why you want to compare this to the use of
psychotropic meds
I'm not comparing a damned thing, just rubbing your stupid nose
in the FACT that hordes dont in fact bother with medication at all.
> but it sure sits easy where I am coming from.
Your problem.
>>> This is partially caused by and create positive feedback with
>>> our fears of emotions, both our own and those of others.
>> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.
> So you disagree?
Never said that.
> You think that people are generally comfortable expressing and having strong
emotions.
Plenty clearly are. If they werent, we wouldnt see so much violence for
starters.
>>> Rather than learning from them we suppress them.
>> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.
> So you disagree?
Never said that.
>>> Now we can do it with drugs more effectively, but
>>> this is hardly addressing the roots of the problems.
>> Pity that there isnt a shred of evidence that its actually possible to
>> 'address the roots of the problem' with schitzophrenia etc etc etc.
> There is a good deal of evidence that schizophrenia, in
> some cases, can be treated with nutritional approaches.
Like hell there is.
> And the treatment offered by psychotropics to schizophrenics
> obviously does not go to the root of the issue.
Pity you havent been able to point out anything that does that.
> You've also chosen the toughest example.
Nope. There's plenty tougher like psychopaths for example.
> The billions of dollars spent on anti-anxiety medications
> and anti-depressive medications is not as effective as,
> for example, cognitive therapy based approaches.
Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.
> You're also missing someone else's point earlier
> about who has the money to do the kinds of research.
You're lying, again.
> You are also not addressing the cultural issues at all.
You're lying, again.
> The fact that scientists have categorized human 'states' in certain ways
> and then going on these categorizations, which are culturally bound and
> cannot be proven scientifically to be good or bad, is enough for you.
You're lying, again.
> You would, I suppose, have gone along with scientists when they, pre-
> the 70s, said there was no way to know if animals had emotions on not.
Wrong, as always. I have in fact said the exact opposite.
> Quietly they have come around to joining the human
> race on this issue, and I am sure you would have also.
You're wrong, as always, regardless of your surety that is based on
absolutely nothing at all.
>>> If we were dealing with a small percentage of the
>>> population it might, might I say, make sense to
>>> individualize their problems and treat them medically.
>> No might about it with the worst of the loonys when there
>> is nothing else that can be demostrated to be effective.
> As far as I can tell the worst of the loonys seem to end up in public office.
Presumably you actually are that stupid.
> That may sound simply like a quip, but I am dead serious.
Its obvious that you actually are that stupid.
> Many diagnosible symptoms and of the worst kind,
> delusions coupled with tendencies toward violence.
Corse no one like that ever ended up in a locked ward, eh ?
> I'll bet your notions of worst have a greater emphasis on hygiene
> than on the actual consequences of what you consider looniness.
You've just lost that bet. How much was it for ?
>>> But when the majority of society is showing
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