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   XPost: alt.philosophy, sci.econ, alt.psychology   
   XPost: alt.politics.economics   
   From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com   
      
   sarge wrote:   
   > On 9 Aug, 01:33, "Woody"  wrote:   
   >> Sargon, you're wasting your time trying to talk sense to this troll.   
   >> He's just yanking your chain for his 13-year-old pimply amusement.   
   >> If you ignore him he might have to start exercising something other   
   >> than his Gameboy thumb. So ignore him and leave him to his silly   
   >> formulas.   
   >>   
   >> Woody   
   >>   
   >> "Rod Speed"  wrote in message   
   >>   
   >> news:7e6fg2F2e6td0U1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>   
   >>> sarge wrote   
   >>>> Rod Speed  wrote   
   >>>>> sarge wrote   
   >>>>>> Rod Speed  wrote   
   >>>>>>> sarge wrote   
   >>>>>>>> Rod Speed  wrote   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>> It aint just propaganda, there is bugger all rigorous   
   >>>>>>>>> scientific evicence that they actually work at all.   
   >>>>>>>>> There is plenty of evidence that medication does work for   
   >>>>>>>>> loonys tho, and has allowed us to close many locked wards now.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>> The verb 'work' is the key one.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> Nope.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> I was already aware you would disagree.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.   
   >>   
   >>>> If you are going to quip rather than make an argument,   
   >>>> at least try to make the quip fit the context.   
   >>   
   >>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.   
   >>   
   >>>> Here you seem to be referring to yourself as 'it'.   
   >>   
   >>> Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, you pathetic excuse for a   
   >>> lying bullshit artist.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>> The drugs replace locked doors and restricted freedom,   
   >>>>>>>> but locking other doors and restricting other freedom.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> Mindlessly silly for those who find they can operate very well   
   >>>>>>> when taking the meds when they need them and cant when they   
   >>>>>>> dont.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>> against feelings, against people who have feelings.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>> Waffle.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>> Pancake.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> Typical.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> It seems to me you do not make arguments, you make comments.   
   >>>>>> Score points.   
   >>   
   >>>>> You're lying now.   
   >>   
   >>>> Really.   
   >>   
   >>> Yep.   
   >>   
   >>>> See your response above with the paper bag.   
   >>   
   >>> It wasnt the only thing in the post, fuckwit.   
   >>   
   >>>> There is some problem with short term to long term memory transfer   
   >>>> here.   
   >>   
   >>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> we have reached a point where most of us could walk into   
   >>>>>> a psychiatrists office and come out with a prescription.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Irrelevant to the completely stupid claim that there are no   
   >>>>> real mental problems, its all been invented by the industry.   
   >>   
   >>>> Obviously relevent.   
   >>   
   >>> You're lying, again.   
   >>   
   >>>> If two people are having an argument and cannot   
   >>>> admit to shades of grey, pointing out what is easy to   
   >>>> acknowledge as a significant grey is absolutely relevent.   
   >>   
   >>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Instead of dealing with widespread patterns of stress and   
   >>>>>> dissatisfaction   
   >>   
   >>>>> And just how do you propose to 'deal with' those ?   
   >>   
   >>>> We can get to that issue once we deal with the first one.   
   >>   
   >>> You cant ever 'deal with' the first, fool.   
   >>   
   >>>> If there is a parasitical and manipulative industry approach,   
   >>>> this is important regardless of whether I have a solution.   
   >>   
   >>> Easy to claim thats what medication is about. Have fun actually   
   >>> substantiating that claim.   
   >>   
   >>>> To now follow you off on that tangent is to distract from the first   
   >>>> issue. an old ploy.   
   >>   
   >>> Lying, as always.   
   >>   
   >>>> The only time it makes sense to take this step, giving the   
   >>>> positions of the people here, is if there is some agreement about   
   >>>> the first issue.   
   >>   
   >>> Wrong, as always.   
   >>   
   >>> If you have nothing to offer on how to deal with what are undoubted   
   >>> problems, you're the last one that is in any position to be decrying   
   >>> what the industry is doing to attempt to deal with mental problems.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> we medicate each other and ourselves.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Some do, hordes dont.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Hordes use booze etc to deal with their problems.   
   >>   
   >>>> Yes, they do. I am not sure why you want to compare this to the   
   >>>> use of psychotropic meds   
   >>   
   >>> I'm not comparing a damned thing, just rubbing your stupid nose   
   >>> in the FACT that hordes dont in fact bother with medication at all.   
   >>   
   >>>> but it sure sits easy where I am coming from.   
   >>   
   >>> Your problem.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> This is partially caused by and create positive feedback with   
   >>>>>> our fears of emotions, both our own and those of others.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.   
   >>   
   >>>> So you disagree?   
   >>   
   >>> Never said that.   
   >>   
   >>>> You think that people are generally comfortable expressing and   
   >>>> having strong emotions.   
   >>   
   >>> Plenty clearly are. If they werent, we wouldnt see so much violence   
   >>> for starters.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Rather than learning from them we suppress them.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.   
   >>   
   >>>> So you disagree?   
   >>   
   >>> Never said that.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Now we can do it with drugs more effectively, but   
   >>>>>> this is hardly addressing the roots of the problems.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Pity that there isnt a shred of evidence that its actually   
   >>>>> possible to 'address the roots of the problem' with   
   >>>>> schitzophrenia etc etc etc.   
   >>   
   >>>> There is a good deal of evidence that schizophrenia, in   
   >>>> some cases, can be treated with nutritional approaches.   
   >>   
   >>> Like hell there is.   
   >>   
   >>>> And the treatment offered by psychotropics to schizophrenics   
   >>>> obviously does not go to the root of the issue.   
   >>   
   >>> Pity you havent been able to point out anything that does that.   
   >>   
   >>>> You've also chosen the toughest example.   
   >>   
   >>> Nope. There's plenty tougher like psychopaths for example.   
   >>   
   >>>> The billions of dollars spent on anti-anxiety medications   
   >>>> and anti-depressive medications is not as effective as,   
   >>>> for example, cognitive therapy based approaches.   
   >>   
   >>> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.   
   >>   
   >>>> You're also missing someone else's point earlier   
   >>>> about who has the money to do the kinds of research.   
   >>   
   >>> You're lying, again.   
   >>   
   >>>> You are also not addressing the cultural issues at all.   
   >>   
   >>> You're lying, again.   
   >>   
   >>>> The fact that scientists have categorized human 'states' in   
   >>>> certain ways and then going on these categorizations, which are   
   >>>> culturally bound and cannot be proven scientifically to be good or   
   >>>> bad, is enough for you.   
   >>   
   >>> You're lying, again.   
   >>   
   >>>> You would, I suppose, have gone along with scientists when they,   
   >>>> pre- the 70s, said there was no way to know if animals had   
   >>>> emotions on not.   
   >>   
   >>> Wrong, as always. I have in fact said the exact opposite.   
   >>   
   >>>> Quietly they have come around to joining the human   
      
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