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   From: jonescardiff@btinternet.com   
      
   Rod Speed wrote:   
   > John Jones wrote:   
   >> sarge wrote:   
   >>> On 9 Aug, 04:21, John Jones  wrote:   
   >>>> Rod Speed wrote:   
   >>>>> John Jones wrote   
   >>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>> John Jones wrote   
   >>>>>>>> Immortalist wrote   
   >>>>>>>>> (1) - Newer drugs, more social acceptance: It may be more   
   >>>>>>>>> socially acceptable to be diagnosed with and treated for   
   >>>>>>>>> depression. The availability of new drugs may also have been a   
   >>>>>>>>> factor. (2) - Cost may be deterrent to talk therapy: Therapy   
   >>>>>>>>> is as effective as, if not more effective than, drug use   
   >>>>>>>>> alone,... out-of-pocket costs for psychotherapy and lower   
   >>>>>>>>> insurance coverage for such visits may have driven patients   
   >>>>>>>>> away from seeing therapists in favor of an easy- to-prescribe   
   >>>>>>>>> pill.   
   >>>>>>>> The reason for the presence and justification of antidepressant   
   >>>>>>>> drugs AT ALL is due to the culturally driven, illness model of   
   >>>>>>>> behaviour.   
   >>>>>>> Wrong. Depression has always been around, most used stuff like   
   >>>>>>> booze for it previously.   
   >>>>>> Depression is part of the illness model of behaviour. There's   
   >>>>>> nothing called "depression". It isn't even a fiction.   
   >>>>> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.   
   >>>> "Depression" can't be physically substantiated. The term is itself   
   >>>> unsubstantiated.   
   >>> It has a functional definition: Can I, the psychiatrist, give you an   
   >>> anti-depressant without it being likely I will lose a subsequent   
   >>> lawsuit?  If yes, then you are depressed.  Its about laws and habits.   
   >>> The pharmaceutical company would have a different dovetailing   
   >>> definition.  Unfortunately many 'clients' also have dovetailing   
   >>> definitions.  This all has little to do with science.  Or, better   
   >>> put, the science comes after all the ungrounded assumptions.   
   >>>   
   >>> If we assume _______________   
   >>> and ________________   
   >>> and _________________   
   >>> then what we tested was _______________   
   >>> and the test shows _________________.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> AS I always said, "depression" is the name of a clinical regimen.   
   >   
   > You're wrong. The problem has been around since LONG before there were ANY   
   clinical regimes.   
   >   
   > Just as true of schitzophrenia and psychopaths in spades.   
      
   no all round.   
      
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