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   XPost: alt.philosophy, sci.econ, alt.psychology   
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   From: jonescardiff@btinternet.com   
      
   sarge wrote:   
   > On 10 Aug, 20:19, John Jones  wrote:   
   >> sarge wrote:   
   >>> On 9 Aug, 04:21, John Jones  wrote:   
   >>>> Rod Speed wrote:   
   >>>>> John Jones wrote   
   >>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>> John Jones wrote   
   >>>>>>>> Immortalist wrote   
   >>>>>>>>> (1) - Newer drugs, more social acceptance: It may be more socially   
   >>>>>>>>> acceptable to be diagnosed with and treated for depression. The   
   >>>>>>>>> availability of new drugs may also have been a factor.   
   >>>>>>>>> (2) - Cost may be deterrent to talk therapy: Therapy is as   
   >>>>>>>>> effective as, if not more effective than, drug use alone,...   
   >>>>>>>>> out-of-pocket costs for psychotherapy and lower insurance coverage   
   >>>>>>>>> for such visits may have driven patients away from seeing   
   >>>>>>>>> therapists in favor of an easy- to-prescribe pill.   
   >>>>>>>> The reason for the presence and justification of antidepressant drugs   
   AT ALL is due to the culturally driven,   
   >>>>>>>> illness model of behaviour.   
   >>>>>>> Wrong. Depression has always been around, most used stuff like booze   
   for it previously.   
   >>>>>> Depression is part of the illness model of behaviour. There's nothing   
   called "depression". It isn't even a fiction.   
   >>>>> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.   
   >>>> "Depression" can't be physically substantiated. The term is itself   
   >>>> unsubstantiated.   
   >>> It has a functional definition: Can I, the psychiatrist, give you an   
   >>> anti-depressant without it being likely I will lose a subsequent   
   >>> lawsuit?  If yes, then you are depressed.  Its about laws and habits.   
   >>> The pharmaceutical company would have a different dovetailing   
   >>> definition.  Unfortunately many 'clients' also have dovetailing   
   >>> definitions.  This all has little to do with science.  Or, better put,   
   >>> the science comes after all the ungrounded assumptions.   
   >>> If we assume _______________   
   >>> and ________________   
   >>> and _________________   
   >>> then what we tested was _______________   
   >>> and the test shows _________________.   
   >> AS I always said, "depression" is the name of a clinical regimen.   
   >   
   > And I should have added....   
   > Scientists would be able to show, in all liklihood, some sort of   
   > changes, perhaps even ones the slaveowners would like.   
   >   
   > This is how to reify.  See, they were depressed.   
   > Then they take MRI images of the slaves before and after, further   
   > 'confirming' their depression.   
   >   
   > I'd laugh if the damn issue didn't depress me.   
      
   In entire agreement.   
      
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