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   M Winther to All   
   Re: Thanatos   
   28 Jun 12 15:25:11   
   
   XPost: alt.psychology, alt.psychology.jung, alt.psychology.psychoanalysis   
   XPost: sci.psychology.theory, sci.psychology.misc   
   From: mlwi@swipnet.se   
      
   The difficulty that Freud wrestled with was how to biologically   
   motivate an innate tendency that goes against life. Eros sustains life   
   while Thanatos is antagonistic to Eros. Yet, Thanatos is not   
   antagonistic to life from an overarching perspective. The point is   
   that both Eros and Thanatos work to sustain life. It functions like a   
   thermostat. When it gets too hot, electricity is shut off temporarily.   
   Seth is a menace. He is the god of the dead region, the desert. But he   
   defends the sun bark in the dead of night. In modern biology, such   
   dialectics has been verified. All living beings undergo programmed   
   cell death without which they could not develop to maturity.   
   Destructive agents in the form of free radicals (oxidants) cause   
   damage to living cells. So people eat antioxidants to remove these   
   destructive compounds. However, over-consumption of antioxidants,   
   especially with elderly people, is destructive to the body, causing   
   inflammation and accelerated aging.   
      
   The reason is that free radicals are needed in the immune system.   
   White blood cells are responsible for the defense against virus,   
   bacteria, toxins, and cancer. They utilize free radicals as   
   "missiles", shooting them at the infectants, thus to destroy them.   
   This means that a shortage of free radicals in the body weakens the   
   defense. The white blood cells must have recourse to plenty of free   
   radicals in order to fulfill their function properly[11]. So, while   
   free radicals do harm to living cells, they are also necessary to   
   promote the life of the organism. Too much free radicals and too   
   little of it are equally harmful. The absence of Thanatos can have   
   harmful consequences to life.   
      
   Regression to infantilism in sectarian groups is an expression of   
   Eros. Grown-up men thus give up their willpower. They are a chocking   
   sight. Eventually, the leader tells them to kill themselves, an order   
   which they readily fulfil, deprived as they are of individual   
   willpower. The cult leader cuts the Mother's phallus off vicariously,   
   because he is contemptuous of the mother-dependent male, which is   
   really the painful truth about himself. Death has made the scene in   
   the paradisal kindergarten. According to the bible, death came into   
   existence when mankind was banished from the Garden, which signifies   
   the lost unconscious symbiosis with creation. This theme is repeated   
   in world mythology, as in the Australian aborigine story named "The   
   Southern Cross", in which death enters creation when men become aware   
   of sin. These myths seem to say that Thanatos is concomitant with ego   
   consciousness, as shadow accompanies light.   
      
   Spiritual sages of all time have been misogynistic, in a sense, and   
   warned against cohabitation with women, as the proselytes will tend to   
   fall prey to the symbiotic unconsciousness of Eros. The Gnostics,   
   especially, whose spiritual path revolved around enlightenment,   
   'gnosis' (heightened consciousness), were adamant about this. The   
   majority subscribed to continence and a reclusive or monastic   
   lifestyle. But there were Gnostics who went in the opposite direction   
   and allowed free rein to sexuality. They also performed sexual rituals   
   in open before the congregation[12]. Eros is thus torn apart, through   
   unnatural application of sexuality. The Gnostics were aware of this.   
   By emptying the erotic drive, so they thought, they got rid of its   
   coercive power. Thence they may give God undivided attention.   
      
   At Egypt's Tahrir square, again, a Western female journalist was   
   (June, 2012) sexually assaulted by a large group of men. She was   
   "violently attacked by a 'group of animals' who stripped her naked,   
   scratched and clenched her breasts and 'forced their fingers inside   
   her'"[13]. Eros is restrained, alternatively women are raped, or   
   recruited to group sex, etc. It is an expression of Thanatos and a   
   serious impediment to Eros. In this way weak ego-consciousness defends   
   against abatement in the symbiotic condition, a power set in motion by   
   mass-movements such as the Arab Spring. It is very characteristic of   
   certain ethnic groups in convergence with the modern world, on account   
   of a low conscious level. The Holocaust and the many ethnic cleansings   
   give us ample evidence of how unitive Eros is compensated by divisive   
   Thanatos.   
      
   Mats Winther   
      
      
   "M Winther"  skrev i meddelandet   
   news:4fe8b3ab$0$4275$c83e3ef6@weathergirl-read.tele2.net...   
   > "Thanatos"   
   >   
   > Abstract: The principle of the death drive (Thanatos) is understood   
   > as a genuine psychic force connected with the mother complex.   
   > Destructivity in repetitious form temporarily emancipates the ego   
   > from unconscious dependency in the psychology of phallic-narcissism.   
   > It is also present in the immature or fragile personality (the weak   
   > ego). Thanatos is unconsciously therapeutic in that it aims at   
   > strengthening a weak ego consciousness, thus to ward off unconscious   
   > wholeness, invariably associated with the Mother archetype. Although   
   > it serves to avoid regression, destructiveness can become obsessive.   
   > The sun-god Horus's perennial struggle against Seth, in Egyptian   
   > mythology, illustrates the dynamics of Thanatos. Accordingly, every   
   > night Seth defends the sun-bark by defeating the negative Mother in   
   > the guise of the chaos monster Apophis. Thanks to Seth, the sun of   
   > consciousness is restored and can rise again in the morning. In   
   > history, phallocentric culture is sustained by Thanatos in its   
   > restorative capacity, but this runs counter to the ideals of   
   > patriarchal culture, whose guiding star is Horus.   
   >   
   > Keywords: Todestrieb, trauma, suicide, mortido, destrudo,   
   > patriarchal, matriarchal.   
   >   
   > Read the article here:   
   > http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/thanatos.htm   
   >   
   > Mats Winther   
   >   
   >   
      
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