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|    M Winther to All    |
|    Re: Thanatos    |
|    28 Jun 12 15:25:11    |
      XPost: alt.psychology, alt.psychology.jung, alt.psychology.psychoanalysis       XPost: sci.psychology.theory, sci.psychology.misc       From: mlwi@swipnet.se              The difficulty that Freud wrestled with was how to biologically       motivate an innate tendency that goes against life. Eros sustains life       while Thanatos is antagonistic to Eros. Yet, Thanatos is not       antagonistic to life from an overarching perspective. The point is       that both Eros and Thanatos work to sustain life. It functions like a       thermostat. When it gets too hot, electricity is shut off temporarily.       Seth is a menace. He is the god of the dead region, the desert. But he       defends the sun bark in the dead of night. In modern biology, such       dialectics has been verified. All living beings undergo programmed       cell death without which they could not develop to maturity.       Destructive agents in the form of free radicals (oxidants) cause       damage to living cells. So people eat antioxidants to remove these       destructive compounds. However, over-consumption of antioxidants,       especially with elderly people, is destructive to the body, causing       inflammation and accelerated aging.              The reason is that free radicals are needed in the immune system.       White blood cells are responsible for the defense against virus,       bacteria, toxins, and cancer. They utilize free radicals as       "missiles", shooting them at the infectants, thus to destroy them.       This means that a shortage of free radicals in the body weakens the       defense. The white blood cells must have recourse to plenty of free       radicals in order to fulfill their function properly[11]. So, while       free radicals do harm to living cells, they are also necessary to       promote the life of the organism. Too much free radicals and too       little of it are equally harmful. The absence of Thanatos can have       harmful consequences to life.              Regression to infantilism in sectarian groups is an expression of       Eros. Grown-up men thus give up their willpower. They are a chocking       sight. Eventually, the leader tells them to kill themselves, an order       which they readily fulfil, deprived as they are of individual       willpower. The cult leader cuts the Mother's phallus off vicariously,       because he is contemptuous of the mother-dependent male, which is       really the painful truth about himself. Death has made the scene in       the paradisal kindergarten. According to the bible, death came into       existence when mankind was banished from the Garden, which signifies       the lost unconscious symbiosis with creation. This theme is repeated       in world mythology, as in the Australian aborigine story named "The       Southern Cross", in which death enters creation when men become aware       of sin. These myths seem to say that Thanatos is concomitant with ego       consciousness, as shadow accompanies light.              Spiritual sages of all time have been misogynistic, in a sense, and       warned against cohabitation with women, as the proselytes will tend to       fall prey to the symbiotic unconsciousness of Eros. The Gnostics,       especially, whose spiritual path revolved around enlightenment,       'gnosis' (heightened consciousness), were adamant about this. The       majority subscribed to continence and a reclusive or monastic       lifestyle. But there were Gnostics who went in the opposite direction       and allowed free rein to sexuality. They also performed sexual rituals       in open before the congregation[12]. Eros is thus torn apart, through       unnatural application of sexuality. The Gnostics were aware of this.       By emptying the erotic drive, so they thought, they got rid of its       coercive power. Thence they may give God undivided attention.              At Egypt's Tahrir square, again, a Western female journalist was       (June, 2012) sexually assaulted by a large group of men. She was       "violently attacked by a 'group of animals' who stripped her naked,       scratched and clenched her breasts and 'forced their fingers inside       her'"[13]. Eros is restrained, alternatively women are raped, or       recruited to group sex, etc. It is an expression of Thanatos and a       serious impediment to Eros. In this way weak ego-consciousness defends       against abatement in the symbiotic condition, a power set in motion by       mass-movements such as the Arab Spring. It is very characteristic of       certain ethnic groups in convergence with the modern world, on account       of a low conscious level. The Holocaust and the many ethnic cleansings       give us ample evidence of how unitive Eros is compensated by divisive       Thanatos.              Mats Winther                     "M Winther" |
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