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   From: f00@0f0.00f   
      
   Dawn Flood wrote:   
   > On 9/7/2025 11:50 AM, jojo wrote:   
   >> Dawn Flood wrote:   
   >>> On 9/6/2025 2:17 PM, Andrew wrote:   
   >>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message   
   >>>> news:109hoef$350ek$3@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>> Andrew wrote:   
   >>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Andrew wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> "Kenito Benito" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> "Kenito Benito" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRIOR TO DARWIN, THE DOMINANT VIEW AMONG SCHOLARS   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WAS CREATIONISM!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it now?! Yes, Darwin got some things wrong!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's Darwin's BIG contribution:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATURALISM REPLACED SUPERNATURALISM AS THE   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EXPLANATION FOR LIFE!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you need me to make things clearer for you??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Dawn, but you see, Without a Creation there   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be no naturalism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Unrefuted fact, again pointing to Creation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, conviction often came to him (Darwin)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that he was devoting his life to a phantasy. He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that often a "cold shudder" would run trough   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his body testifying to that fact.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Often and often a cold shudder has run through me,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have asked myself whether I may not have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted my life to a phantasy." ~Darwin   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't start! Okay??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Why do folks like you get nervous like this? Because you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> have been exposed to truth that exposes your position   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible. And that you stand on a platform that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> is false.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn is a creationist? I'm surprised.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> But above you claim Dawn's position is indefensible.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> As such, you are making the claim she is.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Her position is.   
   >>>>>>>>>> >>> P.S. If you want to explore Creationism (again!), then   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> start another thread in a.a.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It is _YOUR_ above that I am responding to!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I saw you were talking about naturalism and creationism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm simply pointing out to you the simple fact that,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> with-   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> out a creation there could not possibly be any   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> 'naturalism'.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Everything exists. How it got to this point is the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> question.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Where did it start? Do you ever connsider that?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The "Big Bang" is where everything started.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You apparently believe that. That the origin of all   
   >>>>>>>> things is explained by the fantasized explosion of   
   >>>>>>>> a primordial cosmic egg that came from nothing.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Although blatantly contrary to the laws of science,   
   >>>>>>>> nevertheless you believe~ by faith. Yet you still fail to   
   >>>>>>>> understand how foolish your position is.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Andrew,   
   >>>>>>> We've posted about this so many times:   
   >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You can find these sorts of ideas in The Physical Review   
   >>>>>>> Letters; just Google it. Per the physicists, no   
   >>>>>>> Conservation Laws need be violated!!   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Hypothesized models may sound plausible,.but they exist   
   >>>>>> only in the realm of fantasy. Those who want the truth will   
   >>>>>> not abandon the established laws of science.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You've never read these papers, Andrew, and you never will.   
   >>>>> (I've read a couple of them.)  I've invited you to email the   
   >>>>> American Physical Society (the publishers of The Physical   
   >>>>> Review Letters) with your concerns, criticisms, etc., and   
   >>>>> you've never done that and you never will.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Although this is a discussion group, Dawn finds that she is   
   >>>> unable.   
   >>>> Therefore she refers us to the high priests of her religion.   
   >>>> But the   
   >>>> problem is, it is a false religion.   
   >>>> Although she cannot explain it, she is a *believer* by faith.   
   >>>> And   
   >>>> says that if we have any questions to --> "go to them"; and   
   >>>> don't ask her, because it is ~ over her head!   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Yep, physics & math are hard subjects, that is true.  Unless   
   >>> you know (without looking it up!) what a "metric" is, and in   
   >>> particular, the FLRW metric, you know nothing about cosmology,   
   >>> and you really do need to stop pontificating.   
   >>>   
   >>> Dawn   
   >>>   
   >>> P.S.  I know what both of those things from above are, but   
   >>> yet, I am not a cosmologist.  (Although, I do know a fair bit   
   >>> of cosmetology!)   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> dawn do you have a physics or math degree? i wanted to do   
   >> something in science mostly.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Neither.  If you want a science degree, I would go to a community   
   > college to get through your introductory courses, and then   
   > transfer to a 4-year program.  Just keep studying, and if you do   
   > decent on your GREs and graduate testing, you'll get into a good   
   > PhD program.  Just cast your net wide and be prepared to travel   
   > and/or relocate!   
   >   
   > Dawn   
      
   you did all the math work by yourself? lot of stuff to cover. my   
   problem is consistency.. of interest and effort.   
      
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