XPost: alt.paranormal, alt.atheism, alt.religion.christian   
   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   (Message-ID:<8ebcck1pfpb7it0366gpp9d1csauc7ciih@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:02:27 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 17:01:55 -0700, None  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:06:02 -0700, None  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > > > > (Message-ID: <10a4c55$jrvu$4@dont-email.me>):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On 9/13/2025 12:26 PM, None wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote   
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Historically both answers are written in the Bible.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Please do not waste too much of your time on this stuff. Life is   
   far   
   > > > > > > > too short!   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Dawn   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > This ’stuff’ ? If you are speaking of the things of God   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I think she was saying that they're not things of God to begin with.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > then this short   
   > > > > > > time we have is extremely vital to our eternal futures.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Christians throughout the ages have believed that they lived in the   
   > > > > > end times -- from Paul who clearly believed he would be alive and   
   > > > > > waiting for Jesus when the world came to an end, to Christians who   
   > > > > > believed that 1000 CE portended an end of the world, to the   
   Millerites   
   > > > > > of the 19th century Great Disappointment who calculated that the   
   world   
   > > > > > would end in October 1844 -- so perhaps you shouldn't be so sure that   
   > > > > > "time is short.”   
   > > > >   
   > > > > We were told to be constantly vigilant and live our lives expected the   
   > > > > suddenly of suddenlies. After all who wants to be caught short like   
   the 5   
   > > > > virgins left behind.   
   > > >   
   > > > Well, couldn't they get a second chance?!   
   > >   
   > > If they make it through the initial WWW alive, yes, but from what I Read   
   > > that   
   > > they must not recant. For many will be beheaded after torture.   
   >   
   > And God can't overcome that?   
      
   Would you rather operate like a robot without free will. Or should it only be   
   the freedom of choice for some people but not all?   
      
   In those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for those seven   
   years. But these things you would never understand as you do not know who God   
   is. There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how are those   
   that oppose him going to hear? They can’t, they are not willing and so they   
   have not the ears to hear.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > Yet Jesus gave us the signs, and when they are all   
   > > > > happening at the same time, with an increasing ferocity and the nations   
   > > > > are   
   > > > > all lined up as specified for a future war of MAJOR proportions. There   
   is   
   > > > > not much left to be fulfilled before Jesus comes in the air.   
   > > >   
   > > > War, not peace, is the norm for cities and states in ancient times and   
   > > > even in the modern world. Any "signs" of Jesus' supposed return have   
   > > > long since occurred, without any end of the world to go with them.   
   > >   
   > > Nope, for a prophecy to be fulfilled all aspects of it must happen. Only   
   > > partial aspects that fit near the defined prophecy, will they protected   
   > > those   
   > > that were aware, were not the actual fulfillment.   
   >   
   > Presumably, Isaiah's "prophecy" was written before Damascus was   
   > rebuilt.   
      
   You have had that discussion with others about that prophecy, but you   
   dismissed the words of the Bible to accept a supposition of man who had not   
   the ears to hear what was written.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > For instance, if you see the city of Damascus totally destroyed in one   
   > > > > night, as described in the Bible, I don’t see what else is left   
   before   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > Tribulation. Plus there is a viable chance that that is the trigger.   
   > > >   
   > > > Some scholars see the destruction of Damascus as a prophecy which was   
   > > > fulfilled by the destruction of Damascus by Assyria in the 8th century   
   > > > BCE. No "time of tribulation" in the modern world needed for any of   
   > > > it.   
   > >   
   > > Some mistaken ones did, no doubt, but the prophecy never occurred to the   
   > > full   
   > > discription of it such as to it was fully there when night fell and the   
   next   
   > > morning it was gone, plus it will never be inhabited again was not   
   > > fulfilled.   
   >   
   > So where does the Bible say that Damascus would never be rebuilt, or   
   > that it fell over night?   
      
   You were given those scriptures before, would there be any difference if you   
   heard them again? Aren’t you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is   
   and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a point of   
   argument.   
      
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