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   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 15, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 19:16:00 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 15, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:<6eogck505a8plfacgc2p892haldh2l9gj5@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:00:39 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >    
   > > > > They had advance warnings and were indifferent about it. More focused   
   in   
   > > > > self, than in God   
   > > >   
   > > > But when the bridegroom came back, that would change their priorities,   
   > > > wouldn't it? So why not show them mercy and forgiveness rather than   
   > > > being so vindictive about it?   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > You see, the weddings of the Jewish culture was after the couple   
   was   
   > > > > > > ‘engaged’ the bride was to get ready for marriage, and during   
   the   
   > > > > > > following year the bridegroom could come at any time and snatch her   
   > > > > > > away,   
   > > > > > > she   
   > > > > > > was notified in a very short time by his best friends who would   
   blow   
   > > > > > > their   
   > > > > > > horns announcing he was coming, on his way, and then he would   
   suddenly   
   > > > > > > come   
   > > > > > > and snatch her away, to the place or room that he had built for   
   them at   
   > > > > > > his   
   > > > > > > fathers house, and there they would dwell for a year, for their   
   > > > > > > honeymoon.   
   > > > > > > Neither worked, for that first year was all their time to know each   
   > > > > > > other..   
   > > > > > > that is what Jesus has done for his bride as well. The wedding   
   feast was   
   > > > > > > enjoyed by both families for up to a month as they partied and   
   > > > > > > celebrated   
   > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > marriage.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Where did you get that from?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Studies on marriage in the Bible.   
   > > >   
   > > > Which studies?   
   > >   
   > > Mine and it started from the understanding go s messianic Jew.   
   >   
   > So the studies were yours and not just from the Bible?   
      
   I stated right up front,, Studies on marriage in the Bible.   
   SO why the question?   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > In those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for   
   those   
   > > > > > > > > seven   
   > > > > > > > > years. But these things you would never understand as you do   
   not know   
   > > > > > > > > who   
   > > > > > > > > God is.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Cite?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > “For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who   
   now   
   > > > > > > restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.” (2Th 2:7)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I was really referring to the "seven years" reference. Where did that   
   > > > > > come from? And why would God try force people to believe a lie, as   
   > > > > > found elsewhere in 2 Thessalonians?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > This is in reference to that.   
   > > >   
   > > > No, vs. 7 has nothing to do with either seven years or a lie sent by   
   > > > God.   
   > >   
   > > God did not force anyone to believe a lie.   
   >   
   > From vss. 11-12   
   >   
   > 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they   
   > will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not   
   > believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.   
      
   Nothing there spoke of forcing anyone. "they all might be damned who believed   
   not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."   
      
   What were they already doing and beleiving?   
   >   
   > > And it does have everything to do with sin ruling the world in   
   > > that 7 year period. You have read and heard   
   > > about it often enough to know that.   
   >   
   > That actually sounds familiar to me, but I remember something like it   
   > being in the book of Daniel, not 2 Thessalonians.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how   
   are those   
   > > > > > > > > that oppose him going to hear? They can’t, they are not   
   willing and   
   > > > > > > > > so   
   > > > > > > > > they have not the ears to hear.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Why do you believe that?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > That is made most obvious by the atheist, but the same thing is   
   > > > > > > occurring   
   > > > > > > with those that believe there is a God, but they are more   
   interested in   
   > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > affairs of this world that they have no time for God, and or they   
   > > > > > > don’t   
   > > > > > > want him messing with the sins they enjoy. Some are bitter towards   
   him   
   > > > > > > because he didn’t jump to their commands or demands.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Any examples of this?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Sure, this thread, as well as the attitudes of all atheists.   
   > > >   
   > > > So there was an atheist in this thread who's bitter because God didn't   
   > > > jump to their commands? That sounds more like a theist trope than   
   > > > actual reality.   
   > >   
   > > There is many, and they mostly come from religious backgrounds.   
   >   
   > How do you distinguish bitterness from just being right, logically   
   > speaking?   
   >   
   >    
   > > > > > > > > > > > Some scholars see the destruction of Damascus as a   
   prophecy which   
   > > > > > > > > > > > was   
   > > > > > > > > > > > fulfilled by the destruction of Damascus by Assyria in   
   the 8th   
   > > > > > > > > > > > century   
   > > > > > > > > > > > BCE. No "time of tribulation" in the modern world needed   
   for any of   
   > > > > > > > > > > > it.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Some mistaken ones did, no doubt, but the prophecy never   
   occurred to   
   > > > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > > > full   
   > > > > > > > > > > discription of it such as to it was fully there when night   
   fell and   
   > > > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > > > next   
   > > > > > > > > > > morning it was gone, plus it will never be inhabited again   
   was not   
   > > > > > > > > > > fulfilled.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > So where does the Bible say that Damascus would never be   
   rebuilt, or   
   > > > > > > > > > that it fell over night?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > You were given those scriptures before, would there be any   
   difference   
   > > > > > > > > if   
   > > > > > > > > you   
   > > > > > > > > heard them again?   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > When did that supposedly happen?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > They were mentioned as you were arguing about them.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > As I was arguing about them? You said it had happened *before* that!   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Your arguing has been the same for decades. All during that time you   
   were   
   > > > > shown things you totally dismissed, at least publicly.   
   > > >   
   > > > Any examples? And note that "it was in this thread" or some other   
   > > > broad generalization won't be sufficient.   
   > >   
   > > Has this thread gone on for decades?   
   >   
   > Who claimed that?   
   >   
   > > Has your argument changed?   
   >   
   > What argument are you talking about?   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > Aren’t you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is   
   > > > > > > > > and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a   
   point of   
      
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